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    posted a message on Rock GUI & Niagara GUI integration?
    Also, the rock minimap button is there to reduce the need for other addon buttons.
    Posted in: Libraries
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    posted a message on Rock/Ace3 - Regarding drama and functionality.
    I propose a new wiki page.
    Posted in: Frameworks
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    posted a message on Rock/Ace3 - Regarding drama and functionality.
    Tags are planned. Today is the price payed for pointing people who have no business being there to the trunk.

    ..not to say I'm any better :P
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    posted a message on Rock/Ace3 - Regarding drama and functionality.
    poop
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    posted a message on Rock + Ace3
    The SVN also has the advantage of many eyes. I personally read through all* the code changes of the addons and libraries I use when ever I update. And if I see a problem I will try to report it to the right people (often with a fix or work around). I doubt I'm the only one that does that.

    You're a special case. Most users only download new versions whenever there is a new patch, or something breaks. They want stable downloads.
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    posted a message on WowAce's Packagemancer and http://files.wowace.com/
    Clearly, there should be an index -> wiki pages with download links :)
    Posted in: Updaters
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    posted a message on Rock + Ace3
    I'd like to point out that you don't really need to do much to get users off of the SVN: just change their default settings :P
    Posted in: Frameworks
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    posted a message on Rock + Ace3
    There's been a heap of immaturity on both sides of everything recently, can we all just grow up? Lets stop trying to stab "the other framework" in the wheels and just get doing what we need to do and get them done.

    QFT


    For whoever is asking:

    Bongos, Bagnon, and Sage will go Dongle -> Ace3 if Ace3 is as light as Dongle, or offers anything I find attractive. Ludwig and SellFish will continue to use nothing, because there is no reason to use a framework for those addons.

    OmniCC will most likely stay framework independent, though I like the idea of being able to use just the slash handler and timer stuff in Ace3.

    Why not Rock? Dongle already offers me what I want, in a smaller package. I'm sure it will be a good candidate to move to from Ace2, but I'm no expert on Ace2.
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    posted a message on Rock + Ace3
    I wonder if we can consider Rock a 'transition framework' between Ace2 and Ace3.
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    posted a message on Rock + Ace3
    Quote from Bam »

    No, I was talking about the danger that users of the framework feel forced to reinvent the wheel. A rewrite of a framework is not reinventing the wheel. That's improving a wheel in a way that, hopefully, everybody can take advantage of. :)

    I cannot speak from a library standpoint, but as a developer there are typically not many things that addons have in common other than slash commands, profiles, and events. I highly doubt that Ace3 or Rock will force me to reinvent the wheel for any of those mechanisms.
    Posted in: Frameworks
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    posted a message on Rock + Ace3
    I actually forget who was the main source of the elitist stuff during the Ace1 arguments. I do recall Saien, though he obviously had nothing to do with Ace :)
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    posted a message on Rock + Ace3
    Ace3 also has a wiki entry now, though it is not as detailed as the Rock entry.

    I cannot really say much from a design standpoint, but I feel as if Rock is taking the approach of, "Lets build a better Ace2", and Ace3 is taking the approach of, "Lets take what we've learned from Ace2 and build a better framework"

    If there's more insight that each side can contribute about their overall design goals, I'd love to hear it. But please, spare me the bullshit.
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    posted a message on Rock + Ace3
    What's Ace3?
    An addon framework with its roots in Ace. Its in early development.

    What's Rock?
    Another addon framework with its roots in Ace. Its been in development for about month, and soon to be released. (lol svn 'releases')

    What's Dongle?
    Another addon framework with its roots in Ace. Its been in development for a while now, and has a 1.0 release.

    Why make a new framework?
    Ace2 has issues :P (What, you thought I avoided Ace2 just for entertainment value?)

    Why make two different frameworks?
    Differences in opinions on management, what should be in a framework, and of course egos.

    Is this a bad thing? My memorys and cpus will be duplicated!
    No, not really. If anything, competition will yield better code for all.

    So what should I as a user be doing?
    Using addons and not giving a damn. Possibly making some popcorn to watch the drama.

    So what should I as a developer be doing?
    Evaluating your situation. Take a look at your options, and contributing if you feel like it.
    Posted in: Frameworks
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    posted a message on FuBar vs. Titan Panel
    Cons: Not updated any more

    Have you gotten official word from the author that Titan has been discontinued? Or are you going by: "Oh it has not been updated in two months, so it must be dead"
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    posted a message on New CKKnight Mod "Joker" Any Info Yet?
    Quote from wolftusk »

    Would my thoughts carry any merit if the addon author were to voluntarily submit the addon to this group of "experts" and any constructive criticism be kept between the author and said group? and once certain criteria are met this same group would assign a "seal" to the addon? - or am i just so out in space?

    By doing that, you would effectively create an 'elite' class: the people who get to 'approve' addons, and the people who have addons that have been approved.
    Posted in: General AddOns
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