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    posted a message on FuXPFu - (As inspired by Bant)
    Quote from Asthoreth »

    Quote from alexgieg »

    This happens to me too. The icon and the rep bar for the current active faction are always shown correctly, but sometimes no text appears beside the icon.


    Same problem here. Switching Text off/on helps.


    Same here - also, quite often the setting for showing the rep bar is lost - I might have text, but no bar. Again, toggling the setting (in this case, show rep bar) off and on fixes it.

    Is this actually being maintained any more or should I start hunting for an alternative?
    Posted in: FuBar AddOns
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    posted a message on Official Threat-1.0 error reporting and discussion thread
    Quote from Caeruleas »

    Is there anything I can do? I don't really have a clue as to how addons work...


    athou has fixed it in 47879 - just re-update and all will be well.
    Posted in: Libraries
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    posted a message on Official Threat-1.0 error reporting and discussion thread
    47873 appears to be a bad commit:

    [2007/09/01 11:12:41-1723-x1]: Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0.lua:141: unexpected symbol near '='


    (2 extra commas in the zhCN localisaton)

    [2007/09/01 11:12:41-1723-x1]: Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0\ThreatBuffsData.lua:123: 'end' expected (to close 'function' at line 8) near '<eof>'


    (end statement is missing on the zhCN localisation)


    Posted in: Libraries
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    posted a message on Parrot? Link?
    Quote from JaedxRapture »

    Have yet to try Parrot yet as I DREAD configuring an SCT-style addon with dewdrop.


    Parrot has a Waterfall menu.
    Posted in: General AddOns
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    posted a message on WowAceUpdater - An update tool for Windows users.
    Quote from SoLoR »

    here it is what exactly i can break it & make it work again:

    breaking: erase appdata/Local/Apps

    making it work: options, pick up Diagnostic Logging and pick up WoW directory after, click OK and updater detects wow folder & addons after that i can turn off Diagnostic Logging and it will continue to work...

    what it seems is that installer/wowaceupdate doesnt properly makes folders in appdata without that


    Exactly same problem; exactly same fix. Permissions are all set correctly on the folder. You can't set the directory to look for WoW and have the setting save unless diagnostic logging is switched on. Without diagnostic logging enabled, the setting reverts to the user home directory every time.
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    posted a message on WowAceUpdater - An update tool for Windows users.
    Quote from Funkydude »

    AtlasLoot problem should be fixed now.


    It isn't. Still does the same - install the mod (and the modules); next time AtlasLoot gets an update, the modules ("package contents") are all uninstalled. I'm sure this is an result of having "delete before installing" set, but other packaged mods (e.g. Cartographer) do not behave this way so I have to assume AtlasLoot is not packaged correctly.

    -k
    Posted in: Updaters
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    posted a message on Any replacement mods to Auctioneer?
    Quote from Zidomo »

    No, sorry, bigot is not "subject matter agnostic". In fact, Merriam-Webster is where the "especially one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance" comes from. Its a very inflammatory term in many societies and cultures.


    We'll have to agree to disagree then; I believe "as a racial or ethnic group" is given in MW as an example of what bigotry can refer to; those are not the only possibilities. The term refers to being intolerant of other peoples beliefs or points of view regardless of whether or not those beliefs are religious or race-related in nature.

    From wikipedia (hardly canonical, I know, but still):

    A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.

    The origin of the word bigot in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite", especially a woman. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false.

    Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views.


    Again, the term is subject-matter agnostic, as I stated earlier. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion or race in itself, those are simply the most common areas where it crops up. My usage of the term was both appropriate and accurate. This is the last I will say on the subject; if you are unable to accept that you are mistaken even when (relatively) authoritative sources say something different then nothing I can say will persuade you.

    I note that you still haven't backed up your opinion, stated as fact, that Auctioneer's data-storage format is inefficient, nor have you explained exactly why my car analogy was "nonsensical". "Obstinately devoted to prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false...."
    Posted in: General AddOns
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    posted a message on WowAceUpdater - An update tool for Windows users.
    Quote from Pusikas »

    When I use WAU to update my packages, the AtlasLoot modules get dropped. I can add them by hand, and they land in my list of "Package Contents", but with the next update of AtlasLoot, they will most likely be dropped again and just be in the list of "Not Installed".


    I have exactly the same problem; I don't have a problem with any of my other mods disappearing however.

    -k
    Posted in: Updaters
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    posted a message on Any replacement mods to Auctioneer?
    Quote from Zidomo »

    No, sorry, "bigotry" is a term especially used to describe racial or religious intolerances. Which this certainly isn't. So end it, dude.


    big?ot?ry /ˈbɪgətri/
    1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
    2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

    Bigotry has absolutely nothing inherently to do with racial or religious intolerances although of course those are areas where it often crops up. It is a "subject matter agnostic" term and only refers to the intolerance of other opinions, not what those opinions are. Go look in your own dictionary if you still don't believe me - the above definition is from dictionary.com; MW and the OED both have similar definitions.

    Quote from Zidomo »
    And no, I was not speaking in absolutes.


    Several times in your posts you have said such-and-such IS one way or IS another; Auctioneer IS bloated, it's extra features ARE unnecessary. Your statement that "everyone who uses KC_Items regularly thinks the extra features in Auctioneer are unneeded" is an example. You do it again with your most recent post - the saved variable data IS stored in an inefficient format. That seems like talking in absolutes to me.

    Quote from Zidomo »

    Have you ever looked inside an Auctioneer saved variable LUA? The vast majority of it is taken up by auction data saved in an inefficient format. Its not the extra features taking up the memory, its the loading of that mass of saved variable auction data.


    And that mass of auction data needs to be loaded into to memory all at once in order to enable some of those extra features that you dismiss and KC_Items lacks. There simply isn't any other way to do it - or at least, no-one has figured out a way yet. KC_Items makes the choice not to include those features to avoid the memory overhead; Auctioneer sucks up the hit in memory to provide the extra functionality. There doesn't seem to be any way you can get the one without the other.

    Also, please give specifics - as you noted before, these are the Ace2 boards, you can expect a reasonable level of competence from your audience and you won't frighten us away with a discussion of code. Exactly how is the format in which Auctioneer stores data inefficient? Please explain one way in which the data storage format could be improved whilst retaining identical functionality.

    You also haven't answered me with regards to your statement that my car analogy was nonsensical. Exactly what was nonsensical about the car analogy?

    Quote from Zidomo »

    And no, I've never been arguing that "people don't need" the extra Auctioneer functionality.


    Fine, I'll take that at face value. I do think we mostly agree - my "bottom line" to the OP in my last post and your summary in your last post read pretty similarly. However I don't seem to be the only one who is getting the wrong impression from your posts - check some of the other responses on this thread.

    EDIT: Ok, here's the problem, right here:

    Yep, lots of people want features-features-features in software, whether or not they are actually used or needed to do a job satisfactorily. There is a big difference between "needed-to-do-a-job features" and "extra features/crap out the wazoo, with the associated bloat, that aren't actually necessary to do the job for many/most people" Wink. But of course, everyone has different needs and/or wants.


    Yes, you do indeed say at the end, "everyone has different needs", fair enough. But the assumptions underlying the rest of your statements are very obvious and they belie that point of view. The extra features Auctioneer has over KC_Items are just "features-features-features" and not used or needed to do the job. Auctioneer has "extra features/crap out the wazoo". Your frequent statements that "many/most people" don't need those features is just a simple ad populum. And so on. You make it pretty clear that although you're willing to give lip service to the idea that "everyone has different needs or wants" that in fact you think those people whose opinions differ from your own are misguided, and you want to show them the error of their ways by introducing them to KCI. If that isn't bigotry then I don't know what is.

    -k
    Posted in: General AddOns
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    posted a message on Any replacement mods to Auctioneer?
    Bigotry is the appropriate term. The subject matter of the discussion is irrelevant. If you're unable to see the other guys point of view; if you're going to talk in absolutes (such-and-such IS this way) without reference to the fact that it's all a matter of point of view and this is just yours; then yes, you are being bigoted.

    its not just me personally who finds the extra Auctioneer features unneeded, its everyone who regularly uses KC_Items.


    The inherent bias in this statement has already been noted, but I'd also like to add that with a statement like this you only need to find one example counter to it to falsify it. It may not be the best example, but I personally use both mods (albeit not at the same time) as each mod fulfils different requirements for me. I don't find the extra features Auctioneer provides to be useless; those features are of course why I continue to use the mod despite KCI's lower memory overhead. It is extremely improbable that I am alone in that position.

    Also, people using these nonsensical car comparisons when describing software...drives me up a wall ;). Yes, you need an auto transmission (or CVT, etc.)...to drive without shifting. Yes, you need a stereo to...listen to music or news.


    What exactly is nonsensical about the analogy? Your point was that KC_Items uses less memory; others replied that it provided less functionality, and you then argued that you don't "need" the extra functionality. You don't put a stereo in a car to make it drivable, you put it in so you can listen to music and so on, as you note. The analogy is accurate; you don't use the extra UI memory to display median prices or any of the other functions provided so adequately by KC_Items - you use it for the extra "listening to music" stuff.

    Finally, please note the OP's closing sentence (his emphasis, not mine):

    Is there any replacement that gives me all of the same features as Auctioneer, if not more, that is better with memory management?


    KC_Items provides a reduced subset of the functionality of Auctioneer. Those features that it duplicates it does so considerably more efficiently. We agree there. However it does not provide the same features as Auctioneer and so it may well not fit the OPs requirement.

    I have no problem whatsoever with you trying to help the OP out by letting him know that there is a more efficient, lower memory mod that might fit his requirements if he doesn't need all the extra features, but you are crossing a line when you start telling other people what they do and don't need. You're welcome to your point of view but please stop stating it as fact.

    To the OP:

    What it boils down to is this: right now there is no alternative mod that provides the same functionality as Auctioneer. There are a couple of different mods that can do almost the same thing, and some of them do what they do with considerably less memory. If you don't need the extra features Auctioneer provides (and you'll need to compare the feature lists of each mod yourself to be sure) then seriously consider one of these other mods - KC_Items is an excellent choice.

    However if you really need all the things Auctioneer does then Auctioneer is really your only choice. If you are concerned about memory usage, then as previous posters noted, you can just load Auctioneer on an AH mule character only. The limitation of this is that your non-AH characters won't then have access to the auction price info, so you won't be able to check that easily when you are "away from the AH" - so no median auction prices in your tooltips, for example.

    It's entirely possible to combine multiple mods if you want the "best of both worlds" but this has it's own downsides - the need to maintain multiple auction price databases being a big one. Two databases = two scans, which can be pretty painful on a server with a busy AH. But those are your choices.

    -k
    Posted in: General AddOns
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    posted a message on Any replacement mods to Auctioneer?
    Quote from Zidomo »

    If KC_Items was lacking AH median prices, yes, it would be lacking something needed by all in such a mod. But its not lacking that. You don't actually need the extra things in Auctioneer in order to either play the market or post things in the AH at a fair price.


    I don't need cruise control, an automatic gearbox, satnav or a stereo in my car either. Does that make those things "bloat" or "crap" too?

    Yes, KC_Items uses less memory, and if you don't use the extra functions that Auctioneer provides, then of course it will be a better choice. However, Auctioneer does a lot of things that KC_Items doesn't, and for some people, they are not just useful, they are necessary. Calling them "crap" or "bloat" just because you personally don't happen to find them useful is just bigotry.

    Posted in: General AddOns
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    posted a message on Skinner
    Hmm. Well, if that's the case, I don't know if it'll be fixable - that's unfortunate. If it helps, I run at 1600x1200 and Scaling set all the way to the left.
    Posted in: General AddOns
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    posted a message on Skinner
    Quote from Jncl »

    Hi

    Updated VanasKoS Skin, as requested by Kal

    r 45933


    Wow, that was fast. Thanks Jncl!

    I have another one for you: the character window from the default UI. On a class with a Pet, the Pet and Reputation tabs overlap. Non-pet classes are fine.

    -k
    Posted in: General AddOns
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    posted a message on Acolyte - Warlock AddOn
    Confirm it? I haven't tried the fix posted, but sure, yes, I have to turn the messages off, otherwise I get an error every time I do something that triggers a message.

    Also the "don't show it if I don't know it" doesn't work - all skills show regardless of whether I know them or not, and regardless of whether or not the checkbox is ticked.
    Posted in: General AddOns
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    posted a message on Skinner
    The skin for VanasKOS is kinda broken - some of the buttons in the main window overlap with each other.

    Thought I'd let you know!

    Posted in: General AddOns
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