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    posted a message on Looking for font replacement
    I have been using either Bitstream VeraBold Sans or ExpresswayFree quite a bit in my various works including my WoW UI. Nicely done fonts and very readable. Both are freeware (Vera is opensource friendly, ExpresswayFree is a tasty goodie given away by it's creator)
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    posted a message on New site layout is worse than the old one.
    Quote from Shaelynx
    I'm the one who was commissioned to do these icons, and Kaelten requested the subject matter on most of these icons. Your post is far from constructive, and sounds like an angry WoW player complaining for the billionth time about their class on their respective board. Let me tell you some things:


    Whoa, chill out. I was trying to provide some constructive feedback however you decided to go way off the deep end! Sure I understand that the icons are your baby, however if someone has some feedback, it would help to put your emotions aside and respond in a somewhat neutral fashion. Getting angsty is not the way to go.

    1. I was requested to have all my icons done at a 1024x1024 resolution, and I've made measures to make them look recognizable at 50x50. When I submitted them to the Curse staff, they approved of the icons before I uploaded them to this site.
    I don't know the specifications behind the project so I cannot comment much here.

    2. You seem to be an artistic genious, so why don't you think of a better subject for the Plugin category that can make sense to the general population? How about LDB while you're at it? If you have a WAY better idea for an icon for those mods that people can recognize (and isn't plain text, because then what's the point of an icon anyway?)
    I did, the Mozilla style puzzle piece or the Mac style Lego block. These are both icons that internet users have seen for years now. Mac users know the Lego block and many Windows users do too after importing various Mac icons sets. Likewise the Puzzle pieces has been used in some fashion since Netscape 3. To me, that just says "Plug-in"

    LDB would need some work however IMHO (again this is my opinion), the current icon does not really work. I don't have any suggestions here at the moment.

    3. A generic dragon: have you ever played the game? If you look at the full resolution icon, people that play the game and have done most raid content will see that that "generic dragon" is Vaelastrasz.
    Sadly, Vael is not a unique model and has been used and reused so many times. It's a Red Dragon, it's not a Unique model. Yes, I have done much of the raid content in this game except for AQ40 and Naxx 1.0 (my guild was not ready for either before BC hit).

    4. I do agree with you about some of the icons from the game itself, such as PVP, Arena, Tanking, etc. I've raised the subject with Kaelten, and he and the rest of the Curse staff were content with what they had already.
    No problem there

    The icons I've made were on the beta WowAce category page for a few days before the release of 2.0. They were open for the public to see, and giving feedback on them was encouraged. I spent several hours remaking/altering icons so the Curse staff would be satisfied with my work.
    I did not know there was a beta for an upcoming release for a new CurseForge/WoWAce page. I did stumble across it once about a week prior to release, however I did not linger long as I was in seach of something. However I did not see any type of info regarding an upcoming site revamp (and I check these boards regularly however I don't check the CurseForge forums) and thus the new site was a bit of a surprise.

    My last suggestion is, if you're going to complain about someone's artwork, be constructive - terrible feedback like this DOES end up being seen by the artist.
    I was trying to be constructive. Take the filter off before you read the feedback and put yourself in the viewer's position. I do some artistic endeavors myself and one thing I have learned is to take criticism, postive or negative. You are not going to please everyone, however when you respond to criticism in any fashion, put your emotions in the corner first and be somewhat diplomatic. If you really don't like what I have to say, then just ignore me. I will understand.
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    posted a message on New site layout is worse than the old one.
    Hmm, my thoughts.

    The new default Front Page and Projects theme is OK. Design-wise it seems be a bit dated. The WoWAce logo in the corner is simple and it works though the Ace "glyph" needs some separtion by a few pixels from the text. Overall, on the Front Page, the layout is basic and it works. No need to mess with the layout.

    I did see Phanx's beef however. I had navigated to the Projects page, then clicked the WoWAce logo in the top left corner and this is what I got:

    Before and after:


    I don't know if that second "theme" is official or if it is some kind of code/server foul-up. However if it is a theme, then yes, for anyone with any kind of a vision impairment, it would be a nightmare to naviagate, in particular the tabs and such at the top. The font (Arial) on the tabs just blends together into a blackish-grey mess, much like when you spill ink your desk.

    Regarding the icons on the Projects page (another of Phanx's complaits). They do not work. Period. They are too big and the mixing of WoW art and non WoW icons mixes about as well as oil and water. In order to find what the icon means, the user has to mouse over the icon. They are not intutive at all. A few examples (pity I can use the acutal images since they seem to be place using a script so I can use the "View Image" feature of Firefox):

    • Buffs - an image of a flexing man. That does NOT say buffs (as in the magical sort) to me. This one from WoWWiki fits the bill better:
    • Combat - A shield with a "sword" crossed over it. That sword looks more like a white line. To be honest the icon use for "PvP" (two crossed blades) works better for combat
    • PvP - two crossed blades. This does not say "PvP" to me. It's better used for Combat. One of the old Rank icons would work better here.
    • Arena - the old Badge of Justice icon. BoJ for Arena? Nope, this does not work here. A better depiction would be something that looks like an Arena (like an image of the Roman Colosseum) works better here. Or the Arena Points Icon from WoW:
    • Plug-ins - an image of a glowing electrical plug. This works somewhat. However the Mozilla image of a green puzzle works better here. Keep it simple.
    • LDB - an image of an electrical plug. WTF? How does an electrical plug translate into a data display AddOn?
    • Boss - a generic Dragon. Seriously, a dragon could mean anything in WoW. Why not use an acutal boss icon like Raggy? Something iconic.
    • Tanking - generic shield. A generic shield icon does not say "Tank" (unless you are a Warrior or Tankadin).
    I am sure there are more that I missed.
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    posted a message on Curse Client for Mac OSX doesn't work!
    Quote from orddrdeath
    repeatedly crashes after launch, giving error stating wxWidgets Debug error, what's the deal?


    Some more details such as what version of OSX and other details would help.
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    posted a message on Bop Warning
    I use cAutoConfirmLoot It works quite nicely.
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    posted a message on UI Screenshots - Show us what you use!
    Quote from Vranx
    I know Haste's addons are here including oCD but im not sure how to use the site to download them:
    http://ixo.no/cgit/cgit.cgi


    Select the AddOn you want, click "tree", then download the individual files. They will need to placed in a new folder with the AddOn's name. It's the same idea as manually downloading from a SVN rep (aka not using a external program or having prebuilt zips)
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    posted a message on What updates to save?
    Myself, I use the copy my WoW folder over to an external HD. Now I have all the patches, settings and customized AddOns in one folder that is just a copy and paste away from a "new" WoW install. Only bitch I have is USB 2.0 is a piece of shit connection.
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    posted a message on Distributing fonts with addons
    Quote from Tirdal
    Any chance of mentioning which fonts you've found to be truly free and which ones aren't? Obviously limiting the list to those already in addons you've examined, unless you're insane enough to post a megabyte+ list of all fonts ever developed that no one will ever read through. :)

    I know I'm curious if my favorite fonts are good or if I should go ahead and look for alternatives.


    Off the top of my head, a truly free font family that I know (and use) is the Bitstream Vera fonts. These fonts were created by Bitstream and released to the Open Source community:

    The fonts have a generous copyright, allowing derivative works (as long as "Bitstream" or "Vera" are not in the names), and full redistribution (so long as they are not *sold* by themselves). They can be be bundled, redistributed and sold with any software.


    The full license agreement can be read at Gnome.org: http://www.gnome.org/fonts/#Final_Bitstream_Vera_Fonts

    I use this font family as my main font in my UI. It looks good and works quite nicely.
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    posted a message on The New Curse Client
    WoWInsider did a review of the Mac version of the Curse Client. While the review itself was OK, the commenters in that story made me want to "reach out and touch someone".

    http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/04/22/curse-client-for-mac/
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    posted a message on UI Screenshots - Show us what you use!
    Quote from Atallicus
    Here Phanx, try this. Different link for you.



    Much better Atallicus, I was having trouble with your previous image host, all I would get was their banner.
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    posted a message on The eye in all its basking glory
    Just plain old nearsighted here. Too bad, both my parents are nearsighted so I got doubly screwed. I get screwed even more if I go to get glasses as some idiot optical shops will consider my RX to be "difficult" and thus try to get me to cough up more cash.
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    posted a message on Captcha/wowmatrix
    Quote from Farmbuyer
    C|N>K

    goddammit, I should know better to read wowace while sipping the morning beverages.


    Going keyboard shopping?
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    posted a message on Captcha/wowmatrix
    Quote from Phanx
    I am using Flash, and happily haven't seen a WoWAce/Curse CAPTCHA since the bug with Opera/Windows was fixed. I was speaking more generally though, about the problems with the small sizes of CAPTCHA images... it's like the first CAPTCHA implementation was designed for 640x480 resolution, and ever since then everyone else has just stuck with those image dimensions... :p


    I understand you on the size of Captchas as some of the ones I have to deal with to enter some sites have been ridiculously hard to see. I wear glasses, however my corrected vision is close to normal. Yet some Captcha's are an complete pain in the ass to figure out. Is that just a sqiggle or is supposed to be a letter? At least reCaptcha is generally readable although that does depend on the original scanned source's condition.
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    posted a message on Captcha/wowmatrix
    The other thing to remember about reCaptcha is those words that you see in the Captcha are acutally images of text from the New York Times archives and the Internet Archive. So that 1/4 or 1/2 was a printed image that has been digitized.
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    posted a message on Distributing fonts with addons
    Quote from Nandini
    I noticed it's been updated already!

    I apologize for "making an example" of ClearFont3. I picked it since it's just getting started and this is an ideal time to evaluate its choice of fonts. I understand that it's never fun to take something "nice" away from users after an addon has been released.

    Edit: If you're looking for more good quality open license fonts, I would highly recommend Linux Libertine as one of them. It's quite amazing, and has been extensively hinted for on-screen display.


    Thanks for that link, I had not heard of that site before. In my UI prior to my account freeze (due to not have some spare cash thanks to the el crapo economy), I have been using the Bitstream Vera fonts as found on Gnome.org plus a couple of fonts on DaFont.com which come with licences that premit redritrubition. However I will now check out the offerings on this site.
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