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Aug 27, 2008I've given the reason it's done. We install it because many of the users expect the profile system to "just work" and have their profiles updated on a regular basis. One of the features of the client is this system and that is why its installed. You are free to opt-out with the uninstall feature that will get released soon. ( the reason why you couldn't remove it was because we didn't want people accidently removing the addon then complaining/uninstalling because "Character Profilers are broken" ). If a yes/no was provided at installation time ( an opt-in approach ) I couldn't imagine the people that want it, but didn't read/understand the box, and hit no, then complain because it's not there.Posted in: Updaters
Aug 26, 2008We would've not moved forward the curse client and stuck with the old version. No srsly it was an option.Posted in: Updaters
Development on the client is making great strides in the direction of being a great product. Things like a distinction between externals and non externals are being worked on. The CC has never had these kind of features so its taking steps in the right direction. There is still a bit of ways to go with it, which is why it's still in beta. It's getting a lot programming time thrown at it for improvements and will continue to do so in the future. I think all of the things on my task list at the moment are user suggestions for improvement which goes to show our commitment to improving our offering.
Aug 26, 2008My opinions:Posted in: Updaters
First of all, terrible installer. Why is a installer even needed for such a extreme simple application?
Deployment, running as administrator to setup registry keys, etc.
Secondly, the interface is poorly made, hopefully not intended to be anywhere near finished (otherwise, get a designer and a interface specialist to look at it!).
Been asking for one :)
Not loading the addon list by default sucks. And when you load it, the available information is seriously lacking.
Yeop its on the list. Its supposed to cache it etc, just not done yet.
I can't see when a addon have been updated last, a date would be nice so I don't install 4 year old addons (that Curse still have!) on my computer.
Then I spot a "Category" column, but no option to select a category, what's the point in that? Who cares about the author's name, it's about addons!
Both have been requested, so they were added.
The description for the currently selected addon don't disappear when I change my search, so the addon I did select aren't in the list anymore.
You select an addon, the window changes to the one you selected. You search, it still shows that information. I know it does this, I guess its intentional.
As said before, the use of Ctrl+Click to mark several addons is such a large failure, and a HUGE setback from the WAU client.
Also this bugs if you change the search it keeps the SelectedIndex relative to what available addons is in the list, not in what you had listed in total.
While multiple select does appear to happen, it's not processed. I may remove it then.
So basicly you cannot install say "AutoPoison" and "Titan Panel" at the same time, because the selected index is going to mess up when you use the search. Something that did NOT happend in the WAU.
Its a beta, bugs happen, did you submit a ticket? Can you also provided more detailed steps to get the problem your attempting to explain?
Searching more, I find options as "Auto-Install Premium Updates" and "Reinstall New Addons" , why in gods name are these enabled by default?!?
Reinstall new addons is an option you chose to enable, it happens on first start. Auto install premium updates, you want if you pay for it right?
It's surposed to be a addon client right? not mal/spyware that automatical can install things you actually don't want.
It shouldn't install things you don't want. I guess the "exception" can be the profilers, which I have code in the latest build to completely uninstall. A lot of users expect it though, its part of our character profile system and is installed because of this.
Also, what's this "Screenshot" key for? screenshots and addons, WHAT?!?
That was for the screenshot manager which is broken and I took out the window to get to it.
Sorry but Kolie, haven't you learned anything from the WAU ?
I'm just a programmer, and I write what I'm told.
Aug 26, 2008It works in the beta client. The current client that is "release" ( 0.16.X ) do not have this feature. Its in the beta clients ( 1.x and 2.0 ( which is considered release client for warhammer online ).Posted in: Updaters
For the Old client ( and new ) we actually have all character uploads for WoW and an internal test of the character profiles. Its actually really awsome. I don't think that has been made live yet. For War it certainly is and I know WoW isn't far behind if not already released?
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Talked to Kaelten and he says that the WoW profile system was ready for release but they felt it necessary to improve another feature before release and that's all that is holding it back.
Aug 25, 2008In reply to having to download the client multiple times:Posted in: Updaters
I don't run the servers, I don't know much about them, and I am pretty sure that yea you shouldn't have to download them a few times. For whatever reason, I'm told a hardware issue on curseforge.com, some bits are getting flipped in any files sent from its webserver. It happens to any html loaded from the server, any images in the webpages it hosts, and apparently also in files you download from there. Kaelten knows more about the situation. It doesn't effect anything the client does. Just getting the client is fubared. The official 184.108.40.206 installer is hosted at wardb.com which is unaffected and can be retrieved from ( only needs to be gotten once ) http://www.wardb.com/client.aspx
Aug 25, 2008Posted in: UpdatersQuote from Marsti »
Btw. will there come some advantages that make the free customers think "well the client is cool" too? Because at the moment (even if I ignore the things which aren't good solved at the moment) I don't see any reason to use the client; because I could use favorites and it is the same work for me (maybe except unzipping).
It tells you what has been updated so you know if your using the latest, and with three clicks you can update any addon you want.
There is ONE thing that really makes it diffrent from WAU. There is no one click update all addons to the latest.
To me I find the client as useful as ever. For me it does what I expect, tells me what addons are out of date, and lets me update them in a way thats easier then manually checking 50 diffrent webpages and remembering what version I have installed every day, and from having to manually dick around with the file system and zip files and all the other things that make addon managment such a magical fun fuzzy time.
This is the SAME functionality we have ALWAYS provided FOR FREE. There has never been a complaint. We will STILL provide all the same functionality FOR FREE. Some new features though are not going to be able to be had for free, and one of those is Updating all addons automatically and having them installed in a single click.
I understand people have had this experience with other updating software. It just not something curse.com has ever provided and for a fair reason: it's expensive in terms of resource usage and is not able to be maintained without costing the mainters some dollar amount.
Aug 25, 2008Posted in: UpdatersQuote from Quokka »
Yes, I don't need to login to get my updates.
So if there is not anything as WoWInterface's "latest updates" or "favorits" I'll allways use curse as one of the last resorts to get an addon.
And to be honest, If it sucks to get my addons there, or I need to have a profilere to update.
Than I myself will find other addons that do the thing for me, on WoWIF!
ps. is the client on CurseForge supposed to work?
The client on curseforge does work, you may have to download it a few times though. What is WoWInterfaces "latest updates" and "favorites".
Aug 25, 2008Posted in: UpdatersHere is everything I have found that seemed wrong in the first 5 minutes on installation.
-I have to login : I don't see why that is necessary. I don't even see what the purpose is. I don't need to login to individually install addons from curse or any other addons site. I don't have a premium account. I don't want to distribute information that doesn't need to be distributed either.
I believe I've adequately explained this.
-I got an addon that I didn't want from the get go. This was probably the biggest deal breaker here. That anywhere someone let that idea slip trough made me sure I did not want to use that product and will probably would only reconsider it after many discussions of what this implicates. There was no demand to install the profiler addon. No warnings that it was occuring. It's almost a chance I was working on a clean installation that I could see it. I could also not uninstall it. Frankly, if it would've been asked at the beggining as to how I can help to form a better database with this addon I probably would not have minded and felt I was contributing back somehow. But having it shoved down showed me that you went on a road that I don't think should be taken.
I just finished the code to actually uninstall it this morning, and it will be released soon. This is a feature that most users do know about, it lets you upload your character profiles so you can see them and is well advertised as doing so on our main site.
It has given me a glimpse of what a closed source updater can be about and I must say that I find this view very bleak. Again, this action just showed me why I do not want to use a product that doesn't want to be transparent.
It's a beta and everything is rapidly changing in it, lots of thing are getting face lifts or completely different.
Now on to the updater functionality itself.
First of all, the updater wants to update a game I don't have (WAR) and there doesn't seem to be any indication of separation between the 2. I don't know if the fact that I didn't have it installed barred me from all the WAR addon functionality or if the addons were all together. The programs needs to know which is installed on the computer and needs to either completely hide any mention on the non-installed game or make sure that the functionality that is blocked is showed as so (gray tab sort of thing). Right now, having only WoW installed I didn't know if I was/could get my feet into the WAR addons by accident. I had that suspiscion because there was WAR terminology across the interface but nothing in the addon window that was supposed to differentiate the 2.
It shouldn't detect or show a WAR tab if you dont have it installed. The only place that will show you this is the Find an Addon tab where all the addons are listed. I'm adding in a game toggle shortly for it.
For the addon list, there didn't seem to be a place to do semi-advanced search, just a search field to go for names. I want to be able to browse addons from the information gathered from the addon list. I want to see them by category and also by update date to see what's new.
You can click the tabs to sort by category, and I'll look into sort by newest.
The list itself also seems to need some cleanup. The complete first page is just garbled of stud addons.
With impeding merge with WoWAce, I was hoping for a client that might be a little flimsy but that provided the basics right. I'm sorry to say but it seems I will find other ways to easily update my addons once the merge occurs.
The list will get cleanup when the service goes live. We are relying on the current curse.com dataset which has alot of junk in it. Switching to exclusive curseforge access will remove ALOT of cruft. Also when wowace begins to use the curseforge software, we will then be able to see those addons as well.
Aug 25, 2008The client is not a human and does not use a website. For all the information the client shows you etc, it has to come from somewhere. We have a server that sits and answers all client requests. Any requests sent to it except for news and for the client version check require a login. Its been that way in the old client, and it is this way in the new client. The server requires it for the client to connect. That's why its there, all of our servers ( called services by the client ) require it. The addon service, the data service ( character uploads ), and a few other services not yet being used.Posted in: Updaters
Aug 24, 2008Why is there so much issue over the username and password?Posted in: Updaters
All operations to the curse servers require you to be logged into the curse network and have a valid session on our servers. We collect nothing with the username/password. All operations require it, except the news. Checking addon updates? user and pass required. Downloading an addon? user pass required. Getting the addon listing? User and pass required.
The list of useless addons ( compilations / outdated ) is going away very quickly, we've stated this a billion times. When the new curse.com goes live and the old one dies, its all fresh new addons.
wowace addons not showing up? Again, we are pulling from the old curse.com site and a few addons from curseforge.com. Thats all for now. Until wowace updates their site on top of the curseforge software, it wont speak to the client its as simple as that. Once it does it's golden.
Don't want the profiler? You'll be able to remove it pretty soon ( I got ok'd to allow it )
Addon information being sparse? Yeop, got to add all that in.
Aug 23, 2008It was never meant to be a list of all addons you have, just ones installed via the client. More simply the client doesnt care about whats on the file system, it knows what it has put their previously and what should be there, but you can go ahead and change that manually. The client doesnt rely on any file system level cues to manage your addon.Posted in: Updaters
It seems quite simple at first to show a list of addons you have in your folder and not just ones managed by the client I suppose, folder, show its name etc. The issue at hand is where one addon has many folders at the top level folder. There is no ready way to distinguish between them and any folder that isnt marked as installed would have to be listed individually. It would have no description, the name could be retrieved from the TOC, but that is basically the only information readily available across all addons in the TOC.
Aug 23, 2008The curse client does not watch your addons directory to tell you what you have installed. It shows you a list of addons it has installed and currently manages. To remove an addon from the list you right click, remove addon.Posted in: Updaters
Update all addons checks the addons it believes you to have installed to see if there is newer ones. It works fine, it didn't think you needed any updates and so it did nothing.
The Find an Addon screen is being worked on and isn't done.
We do not list wowace.com addons currently in the addon directory. It is only addons from curse.com/curseforge.
Aug 21, 2008The list of addons the client reports, is only addons it manages. It's not a list of everything in your addon folder.Posted in: Updaters
If you have scan addons at startup and you close the client, and then run it again, does it show a progress bar about finding the addons? That is the point of the program were addons in your folder are converted into a managed state. The scan addons at startup feature in itself wont screw up your addons dir. Its when you tell it to scan at startup and then tell it to reinstall addons from curse.com that it gets diffrent files then the ones you have.
Aug 18, 2008Jumaji, your post comes across exactly as you meant it.Posted in: Updaters
The Curse Client is supposed to be simple, and I strive to do so. I am in no means an expert GUI designer, but I do take all feed back to heart, and if you have any suggestions to simplify its operation I am all ears. I have been sent suggestions and released a beta copy within the hour. The client is made by a business and as much as I'd love to include one click updates for everyone for all the time, I also understand it's unfeasible to maintain such an application over any extended period of time ( without cutting corners, and pissing a lot of people off in doing so such as reusing other peoples bandwidth ).
Your claim that there is no mac support is unfounded however, there IS mac support, you just haven't been able to download a mac build yet. And you definitely do not want something that doesn't work, so in time you'll have exactly what the windows users do and it will be functioning no differently without issues.
The Curse Client isn't a gimmick, and I know your not saying so I am just throwing this out there. We aren't this big bad corporation built on separating you from your wallet. I honestly believe in my software as being useful to the end user and I guide much of its design on user input, features that people actually want. I hope our product will meet everyone's expectations, but some of them are just unfeasible. Our product supplements its cost of operation with a few ads, that are very unobtrusive. There is nothing underhanded about them, no pop ups etc. If you so please you may also pay monthly to not see those ads and have full auto updating mechanisms you have grown to love ( The Curse Client has never provided this functionality in its previous incarnations. The functionality we have provided in the past will ALWAYS be free. ) It's going to be EXTREMLY reasonable on the order of a few dollars of month. I haven't been told an exact price, and I don't make those decisions either, but it's not going to break the bank in the least.
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