... sides ignoring each other ...
Yeah, this point was brought up by tekkub.
... you get DKs if you kill enemy npcs.
Which do absolutely nothing at all, so you still have people killing NPCs. In fact, I saw a Horde person wipe out the Elven town near the Den the other day. I was quite pissed about it, so I gave him an earful about honour and courage. I also pointed out that should he do it again, he'll get the same lecture again and the last thing you want to be is lectured by Rowne. Only the mighty ignore function can save you from that.
Yes, I do actively defend the other faction from my own when I see Horde people commiting war-attrocities.
You have gankers that can continue unhindered because death has no meaning and most people dont bother helping unless they have a guaranteed victory.
The problem isn't that death has no meaning, the problem is that dishonourable actions have no meaning. At least that's what I think. My opinion on the matter should be that if anyone group attacks another player or attacks another player three levels below them (note, attacks a player, not is attacked by) then they should be awarded a DK. I also believe that DKs should actually do something, what they should do I think is force the guards of their own faction to attack them on sight as if they had some kind of "bounty" on their head as a war-criminal. Gods, I would love to see that.
The only way they'd be able to get rid of that is by doing community service quests which result in no exp but lessen their DK ratings, these quests would be ludicrously difficult, of course. They also wouldn't be able to get their armour repaired or buy new supplies until the guards were no longer pissed at them.
I think a lot of the misunderstanding about the state of the War in Warcraft is that it isn't a war, per se, it's a civil war. In fact, everything evidenced about the type of war and the reactions of the people within the game (the NPCs andsoforth) seem to give major nods towards this. Knowing a bit about civil wars, I think that the DK system would be justified because in a civil war, you don't go permitting acts of dishonour. You win via just being better at what you do, not through cheating and acts of gross dishonour, as those are considered war crimes.
... you can not burn down their cities ...
I reckon this should be possible too but I reckon that it should brand the person as a major war criminal, it should send bounty hunter NPCs out after them. That'd be so damned funny. Some stupid bastard tries to burn down the Crossroads and then he has a large group of 62 elites tracking him down (not to mention other players) to claim the bounty on his head. Would you feel so bad about someone burning down part of the Crossroads if you could kill him (with the help of level 62 elites) and claim 10 or more gold (depending on the crime) from it? I think not.
Finishing up, I think this is where you and I differ, Instant. You're an anarchist, I'm more of a civil anarchist. I believe in being able to do anything but I don't believe in being able to do anything without ramifications. Cause and effect seem to be a primary rule of the Universe. Try to raze a city and you're going to get a bunch of bounty hunters on your side and your own people are going to consider you dishonourable. There should be Worlds where anything goes but the state of the War for that should be total War, not Civil War.
I agree with you then insofar as that these things should be doable but everything should come at a heavy price. If a person is a criminal, they should be branded as a criminal. In any real World, I think, you wouldn't be able to charge around razing cities, killing people and stealing things without having yourself declared as a wanted man or woman. In any real World, I'd think that actions such as that might even have towns or nations declaring a state of war against you based on how grotesque the actions in question are. That's how any real World would do things, providing the World isn't existing in a state of lawless anarchy, which Warcraft is not.
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Dec 28, 2005I agree with you on that count, Instant. I might just be old fashioned (or opposedly, I might just be a youthful advocate of history and tolerance) but I miss things being Gentlemanly and sporting. The primary problem I have with Warcraft's PvP is that there's no sportsmanship and it's a festering breeding-grounds of hatred and anger. I have nothing against PvP when it's handled well. Hell, I play a mean game of Counterstrike and UT. Very few MMOs when they include PvP though have handled it well. Guild Wars was one of them, they turned it into a sport, like football. People could even watch and cheer for their favourite teams. This took away from the violence because it wasn't really so much people fighting each other, it really was all in good fun.Posted in: General Chat
There'd also be the occasional cheer when the literate amongst them stood up against the shorthand speech. I remember heartily cheering at a mutter of; "Pf. Roffle ma waffle."
City of Heroes had a great PvP system too, the Arena was bloody fantastic. They had to go and add PvP zones though and even the developers have admitted that those are now areas that're absolutely full of griefers. They did point out two things though, that people don't have to go to those zones (it's a choice and it is only two zones) and that they're doing what they can to remedy the situation.
I think the only good PvP is arena regulated PvP because it is the sport of kings. No, I'm not against PvP (shock!), I just think it should be handled fairly and after a game, people should show what good sportsmen they are with offerings of; "Good game!" and "Hey, you guys did great out there!". You see that kind of thing when observing a battle in Guild Wars.
The enemy of PvP will always be the griefer. The bane of the griefer will always be regulated, fair PvP.
That's why I personally agree with you on PvP being a joke in Warcraft, Instant. There's no fairness, no sportsmanship, no friendly banter, no offerings of good games, no compliments, no displays of great teamwork, no even-handed understanding of justice, no honour ... it's just Griefer-Land. Population: Us.
Dec 28, 2005I've added a link to a Mirror of my file. I don't know how long it'll stay up or what the download performance will be like (very likely better than my server since it only supports a few connections at once at 15KiB/s) but there you go. Hopefully now everyone will be able to see the Shatterspears.Posted in: General Chat
Dec 28, 2005Here's the process I used to create the movie ...Posted in: General Chat
1: I used the trial of fraps to grab lots and lots of short segments, I ended up with like, 16 of them, each at 116MeB each and branded with Frapness, sorry, I mean crapness. This has reminded me that I need to find an open-source movie grabber and to never, ever use Fraps again, even if I do have it conveniently lying around.
2: I then used VirtualDubMod (yay!) to put the pieces back together, I'm not a video-editing specialist however so this didn't go too smoothly but I think it's smooth enough, there's only the occasional jump here or there, I was pretty good at estimating by framerate when Fraps stopped recording. I then went about removing any redundant frames to give it a slightly more smooth appearance.
3: I then saved the Frankenstein's Movie via VirtualDubMod, I selected to use use ffdshow as my encoder from the save menu, I hit config and setup some nice quality/size ratio settings and then save, it went about transcoding from the original pieces I'd placed in to the final, ffdshow-XViD encoded movie.
I probably could've done that with a lot less hassle but I'd only just managed to get to see the Shatterspear tribe my Guild leader spoke of and I was excited. I simply had to make a movie, even with the tools on hand.
Dec 28, 2005Name one service that would cheerily host over 100MeBs of possibly controversial media with a smile and you shall get your speedy downloads! Until then, it'll have to be served up by my trusty old barge. I'd increase the upload time some but I don't have mod_throttle yet and if I did ... my computer would be raped and I need my bandwidth. I need it for games. I need it for ... uh, games! So it must not be raped.Posted in: General Chat
As I tell you now however, you may believe this. After you have seen the contents of said movie, you will know it was worth it and you will want to go there too. Oh yes, you will want to go there too.
Dec 28, 2005At the moment, I'm just keeping my options open and putzing around a lot, I'm also considering checking out older games that have a lot of expansion packs now (such as Anarchy Online) and perhaps games I played in beta (Neocron). I've also applied for the betas of a number of games recently, including AutoAssault and RF-Online, so I might get into them. I'm putzing around with current games too such as City of Villains, so ... I'll see what I decide on.Posted in: General Chat
I think the most important aspects for me though is that A) it has to be fun to explore and B) it has to be devoid of totalitarian devs. City of Heroes/Villains is promising in that it's a load of fun to play and it has fantastic devs but there's not much to explore there, per se. Perhaps when I get to higher levels, I'm not sure yet. I'll have to see. For now though, the jury's still out and I haven't decided what my next major MMO-stop off will be.
Though I admit, I am salivating over Phantasy Star Universe.
Cast (androids, yay androids, yay wren!!), Numans and even ... an unannounced beast-race? With Sega's graphics pretty-making abilities? Oh yes, I am eager to see this game.
Dec 28, 2005Sorry about that ...Posted in: General Chat
I just get touchy when people who don't know anything about a subject (any subject), stand up and start smack-talking about it. Not because I feel particularly angry but because I feel it lessens the community and I feel embarrased for them. Imagine what would happen if someone, at a distinguished party, stood up and tried to explain how tea, was in fact, made of excrement and not tea leaves and to then proclaim that tea itself was also crap and unsanitory for that reason.
I just wish people would research their core material before even thinking on commenting on something. As it is though, most people won't. Self awareness doesn't come cheap, oh no. It's got a 10 billion gil pricetag on it.
Anyway, to make amends for my words, I've offered something fun in the post below, go and take a look, I do believe it'll be worth your while.
Dec 28, 2005" The most intrepid brave I know and the leader of our little band of explorers made a cocksure proclomation a few moons back, that he and he alone would brave the mountains of Darkshore, risk neck and hoof and learn all there is to learn of the Elven lands there. And so he did, I can only imagine his fear as he scaled the highest peaks, traversed the most might mountains and clinged for dear life, not looking down but always, always having the determination to go on.Posted in: General Chat
A few days hence, he returned, with eyes wild and voice full of excitement. Grabbing me by the shoulders he declared in tones both proud and loud, 'Brother!', he began, taking a pause for nothing more than prosterity I'd wager, 'I have made the grandest of discoveries and we have new allies!' A couple of tasty striders and an earful of complicated exposition later and I learned of the Shatterspear Tribe. Trolls who chose to be isolationist, away from the war. They spent their days sleeping and their nights were filled with wild parties. Knowing the nature of Trolls as I do, I'd not been sure whether to believe this. Perhaps our Brother had fallen and banged his head, the results of an impromptu vision quest, perhaps ...
But no, he was certain. So certain ...
And there I was then, on my way to Darkshore with my Frapsomatic Pictotron (a gift from a Goblin engineer whom I saved from a rampaging Dwarf many years ago). Apparently since I'm 'the only one who can figure out how that damn contraption works,' I was left with the task of finding this village myself. A rough map and a few pointers were thrust into my hands along with well-wishes. There had been the offer of an escort but no, if I were to do this, just as our leader had done it, I would do it alone and off I set.
It was midnight by the time I'd reached the Naga shrine on the Northern edges of Darkshore, creeping around in my ghostly form, Wolven speed to command, naught but my wits to keep me safe from the horrors of an Elven forest at night, I pressed on. Into the darkness of the thick forests, past countless Elven ruins until finally, I made purchase into the mountain and it was then ... then, the real trek began. With torch in and map in one hand, I gingerly began to work my way up into the mountains like the skillful climber I am. My spirit guide is a mountain goat for a reason! Up I went, there were a few tumbles and falls, I almost trashed my favourite bracers as they saved my neck from snapping in two against a boulder I'd fallen upon ...
It was a truly arduous journey but a path I found, a path up in the mountains, one that went ... nowhere? I examined this path carefully, it looked like a false landslide had blocked entrance. I was not to be deterred, to my friends the mountains my hooves once again gained purchase and with a will of iron I climbed, carefully and with the determination only the soul of a brave could possess. How long was I up there, hours? I think my eyes first laid sight on the village at the midst of dawn, the slightest cracks of lights from setting moons and rising sun filtering through the trees and down onto the waters and huts below. The first thing my eyes laid on was a canoe ...
With a leap of both flair and panache, I landed in the waters below, free of the jagged rocks that would've been my end had I fallen. I pulled myself out of the waters to find many, many sets of eyes upon me. It was an awkward moment of silence as I stared out across the water at ... what was that, were those Trolls having a party?! So, I danced. I threw out my best dancing moves for all to see, they turned back to what they were doing, the drummers drummed, the Troll who smacked the gong did indeed smack the gong and bongos were beat to a rythmic jungle tune. Perhaps only a few minutes remained of htis night but they would party til the very last.
Having felt I'd broken the ice, I leapt into the water and swam quickly to shore, to walk amongst these curious Trolls. There was much to see and much to talk about, it was indeed as my Brother had said, peaceful Trolls, more interested in having a good time than anything else. Oh certainly, they had the occasional pile of skulls lying around but to them, it was tradition and compared to other Trolls, they were the most joyful of spirits. I was told of the Shatterspear tribe's violent history and how they finally escaped the bonds of their hatred only to find a new way of living, a better away, away from a World of hatred. It was quite the entertaining story and digested over a number of bowls of ... strange mushroom stuff. In fact, the strange mushroom stuff might've helped to explain my attitude towards the party later and why I so merrily mingled and swayed.
Come to think of it, the strange mushroom stuff might've explained my Brother's excitement too ... but I shan't think on that.
With the night past the Trolls were ready to settle down for another day's sleep. Before leaving I decided to learn as much as I could about them, I tried to visit and chat with each of them in turn and I discovered a number of unusual artefacts and more importantly, slabs full of Trollish lore. I could only read very little of it because I'm not a Trollish linguist, I know little of their language but I think I know just the person. I know just the man to invite up here so that we may learn more. Another day dawns on this brave and his merry band of explorers and we're all the better for it, with new friends and things learned anew. Now if only the sky would stop changing colours. The spirits must be testing me ... "
[The Frapsomatic Pictotron footage taken by Rowne on his trip to the Shatterspear village.]
[Mirror - Preferrable download, probably has faster speeds and it won't put a stress on my server, which means people will be able to access the AddOns I host. Win-win, then.]
Dec 28, 2005Orione ... damn you! Well, uh ... um, my Guild found a new Troll town! The Shatterspear tribe up in Darkshore. There's even a Troll dancing party there.Posted in: General Chat
Industrial I'm glad you agree that you have no idea and I'm glad you agree that it's a topic you shouldn't speak on because people who speak out of turn about topics they have no clue about and haven't taken part in are frankly smacktards. It makes the person who does that the Jack Thomson of the Warcraft World. Just think about what Jack Thomson does. He doesn't understand his source material nor why people enjoy it, he just chooses to speak out against it whilst looking like an idiot to anyone who does happen to be better informed.
As far as exploiting glitches, it isn't. It's simply something that's in the game and it's something that's always been there. It's not a glitch because it has no real useful applications (aside from one, single location in Lordaeron for PvP ... and they could just put a damn roof on Lordaeron). The very nature of exploration is to go where nature and the World in general doesn't want you to go. It's to learn what nobody before has learned. There'll alwasy be people who're jealous of or angry at explorers, who'll consider them defilers or hate them openly for what they can do that others cannot but in the end, an explorer reveals things to the World that no one else could.
After patch 1.9, I'm going to release a battery of screenshots just to show the places I've been. No hacks used, no third-party programs, just my own wits and Yatlas. The same goes for my Guild who're also now incurable explorers. The whole damn point of exploration is seeing what's out there and if humans aren't going to be explorers (of the lands, Sciences, each other, themselves, thespianism, the arts ... and so on) then we might aswell not have come down from the trees in the first place. We could've stayed up there and still pelted each other with unripe fruit if that's all there is to life.
The point of an explorer isn't to just be a drone, they don't just sit there awaiting their assigned task, at which point they'd scurry off to fulfil it with self-contented vigour, we are both blessed and cursed with an insatiable urge to explore. Not everyone comes into a game just to kill things, the promise of new lands to explore is what brought me to Warcraft and that's what I did. Just because there's something you can do in a game doesn't mean that you should exclude all other possibilities because that kind of thinking is an evil known as totalitarianism and it isn'te very nice. I don't begrudge you running around and killing things, nor will I ever. Just as you shouldn't begrudge me the right to explore.
If I wanted to sit in slot A until I received orders from boss-bot B and then deliver item C to person D to get reward E to be sent back to slot A to wait for the next assignment, that's what I'd do. My own desires lead me to push against that though, I cast off the shackles of the usual and try to see what's unusual out there. I'm not saying that this is for everyone and I'm tolerant of people who just want to take something they're given as it is but just because something might be something, doesn't mean you shouldn't explore its applications as something else. This is how evolution works, we try things to see what happens. That, for me, is fun. That is playing the game, to me, how it was intended to be played because the World is there, it's a land to be conquered and explored and therein lies my joy.
I won't ask you to understand this. I won't ask you to tolerate it. I just feel the need to justify my own desires for exploration. It has nothing to do with exploiting glitches or any absolutionistly negative bullshit like that. It's just about casting off the chains of the usual and getting out there, doing what I can do when I can do it. Just because it's a crime not to show people what can be done with a determined will and a good set of wits to do it with. I don't think the people who climbed Mount Everest the first time were considered to be folks who were exploiting glitches in nature. Sure, there were those who screamed out against it for the sanctity of the mountain but we can all imagine why they did that. You just have to think about it in that way.
Sure, you can enjoy a game for what it is or you could try and find out its potential, you could try and discover what secrets lay hidden beneath the surface. Just as I won't begrudge your enjoyment of grinding, you shouldn't begrudge my desire to explore and learn.
The bottom line is, I choose not to limit myself. There's a whole lot in that game that nobody else has seen, that in itself is a challenge and just like those who originally scaled Everest, I take that challenge because it's fun. Yes, fun. It's not about exploits, it's not about sticking it too anyone. It's just fun. I can say I've conquered Warcraft many times over. Some people might say they beat Onyxia at level X or raided the Crossroads at level Y but my accomplishments don't sound like that. Mine are more like; "Hey, my Guild spent a few, hard hours scaling a mountian to be greeted by a tribe of happy, dancing Trolls. After a good rest, we spent some time dancing with them and initiating a great first contact before moving on to see what else is out there."
Everyone's going to have their own mindset about this. This is mine. I'm an explorer, I can see past the surface.
Oops, misread a name there. Corrected.
Dec 27, 2005If you want ZooKeeper, it's yours, here's the latest code:Posted in: General Chat
Feel free to merge it with whatever you like.
Dec 27, 2005Yup, exactly.Posted in: General Chat
I've been tempted to do that but the thing is, lately I've been discovering new areas by the day. I found a new location above the Plaguelands just last week and I've been thinking about going there. Yatlas is the perfect scout for finding interesting places to explore. The whole situation though, where I won't be able to get to places now ... it's just depressing.
The exploration method not only allowed us to go to interesting places but it also allowed us to get to standard game locations that were too high for our level and we could do it by our own autonomy without needing someone to escort us. All we needed were wits and good reflexes and we could get past just about any obstacle but of course, Blizzard can't milk money out of us cash-cows if we're going to see later areas of the game so early on, even though we could do it with an escort anyway.
It really meant that a person could found a league of explorers and instead of; "omgbbqblah i raided xrads at 15 lololololz !!oneone", a person could put a claim to having been to the Slithid hives at level 30 or the Caverns of Time at level 22 (both of which I've done). Hell, a person can even freely scale the walls of hte Un'Goro crater at no higher than 20 if they know what they're doing and it's a blast!
I've heard the excuse that they fixed it because PvPers might exploit it but the more I think about that, the more I realize it's bullshit. This isn't an easy thing to fix, I can imagine the code it took them to make sure that high-mountain quest areas were still accessible whilst stopping undesirable mountain endeavours. The easier solution? Setup 'zones' and make AttackTarget() and UseAction() not work inside of these zones. That'd be a much easier fix, I know it would because I've watched roleplaying games in development and I know that's an incredibly easy thing to do.
Location x, y to x, y, disable all combat capabilities, done. All they'd have to do then is add new zones in future patches as problem areas might be found. It's even lazier than their current solution because I'm almost certain that issues will arise from the fix they're making.
I know it's World of Warcraft but as it stands, even more war-orientated games are offering better exploration options at the moment than Warcraft, not everyone's a PvP nutcase and they're going to alienate a demographic of their userbase by proceeding down this path. That's their problem though. I just think it's sad really because exploration is really fun for me, very often I'd look over Yatlas and say to the Guild; "Right, tomorrow we'll check out that place." or I'd check it out myself and then show them all manner of wonders unseen by other players.
It was a blast, those were my accomplishments as a peaceable person. That's not going to happen anymore though so I don't really see a reason to put my energy into it. They annoyed me when they started attacking AddOn developers a while back but that was anger and that dissipated.
This isn't anger, this is just ... disappointment and loss of all hope. Bye Warcraft, we hardly knew ye.
Bottom Line: For everyone who didn't want to read all of that, Blizzard took my mountaineering tools, I can no longer claim my dominion over the highest and mightiest mountains of Warcraft. I'm not allowed to perform acts of incredible mountaineering, the Mountaineer class isn't in their World-View and thusly must be destroyed. My primary profession will be culled at order of the Game's-Government, be my characters the roleplayers they are, they'll sure be distraught and at a loss of words to describe their tight-fisted overlords. Blech.
Dec 27, 2005Okay, this is just a bit of a note that lately I've been trying to wean myself off Warcraft again, I've been playing City of Villains which really is a lot of fun. I'm getting really tired of Blizzard's "Nil Fun" policies and eventually I see Warcraft becoming little more than PvP battlegrounds and 40-man raid dungeons, oh joy.Posted in: General Chat
The next patch will hit soon and it sounds like it's very likely going to kill my favourite exploration aspect of the game (if you don't know what that is, I'm not going to tell you), so I'll have little reason to actually play again. I'm not a PvP sort and the endless grinding just isn't fun enough to hold my attention so I'm looking for new frontiers of exploration, I have a few options open and they look better than Warcraft right now.
The difference from the time when I wasn't playing is that now, instead of not playing anything, I'm actively playing and looking for new games to play, which'll mean I'll have less time to code and less inclination to code for Blizzard's game. If, by chance, they haven't killed my favourite part of their game, I'll keep the subscription open and play every now and again but otherwise, I've really lost my will to play there.
So it might be that time again, if you see any of my projects that you wnat to pick up, feel free.
Also: Yes, the above reasons are also why my updates have been less than usual lately, for I have been playing other games and it has been fun. Yay exploration.
Dec 27, 2005_ForgeUser788 posted a message on XP on Portrait - should be easy for you authors! /begWell, I believe our good fellow Kayde has already done this.Posted in: Addon Ideas
[Kayde's Doppelganger XPBar]
Instead of wasting space beneath the mana however with yet another bar, it puts the XP information in the namespace, which is a nice compression of things because whilst playing your own character, you don't exactly need to know your own name. I'd be a bit worried if you did. Thusly, for those using the original frames, I'd see this as a perfect solution. If however you still want it underneath instead of above, ask Kayde about it, I'm sure he'd be willing to get the option in.
Dec 18, 2005Heh, I have a better idea. It should spam a custom emote. Personally I prefer chicken. There was one time when an Orc was flying just behind me, I did it for the entire flight. After the flight the guy came up to me and asked; "WTF was that about, dude?", "I'm a Tauren. I am one with the Wind-Rider." ... and he just walked off. A typical day in the life of Rowne.Posted in: Addon Ideas
Well, I did it ...
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