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    posted a message on BigWigs
    Ah I should have made that clearer. Everybody in the raid had version r4968, including myself. The message showed up regardless.
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    Error using r4968 as soon as Thaddius was initialized:

    Date: 2009-02-10 20:19:15
    ID: 1
    Error occured in: Global
    Count: 1
    Message: ..\AddOns\BigWigs_Naxxramas\Thaddius.lua line 310:
    AceEvent-2.0: Cannot register event "CHAT_MSG_MONSTER_EMOTE" to method "CHAT_MSG_MONSTER_EMOTE", it does not exist
    Debug:
    ...BigWigs\Libs\AceModuleCore-2.0\AceModuleCore-2.0.lua:25:
    ...BigWigs\Libs\AceModuleCore-2.0\AceModuleCore-2.0.lua:23
    ...BigWigs\Libs\AceModuleCore-2.0\AceModuleCore-2.0.lua:505: ToggleModuleActive()
    BigWigs\Core.lua:634: EnableModule()
    BigWigs\Core.lua:654:
    BigWigs\Core.lua:649
    [C]: ?
    ...ce\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:298: TriggerEvent()
    BigWigs_Plugins\Comm.lua:55:
    BigWigs_Plugins\Comm.lua:45
    [C]: ?
    ...ce\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:298: TriggerEvent()
    ...ce\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:910:
    ...ce\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:903


    Also, the new info about "Your version is over 10 versions old" came up once for everyone, even if they had the newest version.
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    So you wouldn't care to check for what addons someone has running; that's fine, and other raid leaders do things different. It's immaterial to the basic question of having useful version checks in the mod, however.

    oRA2 is probably the ideal sort of structure for version checks of this nature. It shows everyone in the raid, and whether they have the addon or not; it displays the version of everyone who does have the addon, and even shows the related CTRaid version, for those who still use that outdated addon.

    A similar display in BigWigs would be very useful for the many raid leaders who want to make sure their raiders are up to date with addons. (Again, the check just needs to be for the core and the WotLK modules, since those are the ones that 99% of people are raiding each week.)
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    The "big deal with version checks" is that for many (most?) raiding guilds, people who go on raids are requested to have the current version of whatever boss mod is preferred (BigWigs or DBM). Even worse than people without a boss mod are people with outdated versions of them, providing inaccurate data, making the "boss kill" show up multiple times, etc.

    The ease of content in current raids only makes the information provided by boss mods more useful, not less -- the explicitly stated design of Blizzard is to get more people raiding than ever before, which means people who have never raided will be going in greater numbers. So, to make it easier on the raid and people starting out, most guilds use these sort of addons. It is not to synchronize data, is to make sure that everyone has the appropriate info in front of them.

    When it comes to leading a raid of people who are not experienced raiders, one key to success is making sure that everybody gets the needed information during a boss fight. Given the lag with using Ventrilo or other voice chat, addons that provide that information are a handy place to start. Given all that, most regular raid leaders like to make sure that everybody in the raid is using up to date versions of the appropriate addons; and so, the interest in the specifics of raid-wise version checks.
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    That does sound a bit difficult to do cleanly.

    What about just a check for "core and WotLK" modules? That's what 99% of people care about on a daily basis right now, for a boss mod. As a raid leader, if I know that people are up to date in those, I'm happy, and the raid runs more smoothly. Optional modules don't need to be looked at in a generic version check; if someone is running an older raid like Sunwell, they can do the check just for that zone's module.

    While we're on the topic... is it possible to change the display of all version checks to list the people who do not have the module(s) being checked? It's a bit of a pain to see that 23 people have the addon, and then sit there for 2 minutes trying to read the (non-alphabetical) list of names to figure out just who is missing it. If the list displayed all the names in the raid, and showed who didn't have the addon/module at all, that would be great; I believe oRA2 has this sort of display.

    Thanks for any changes that can be done to help out in this area. It's somewhat tedious, but from a day to day raiding perspective these version checks are the part of the addon that raid leaders interact with the most; anything that can improve that experience would be a big help.
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    Quote from cremor
    You have to use the zone version check to get the version number of modules (e.g. do a zone version check for "Naxxramas").

    Ah ok, thanks for clarifying that.

    So here's a thought. As a feature request, I guess, it would be nice if there was an "overall version check" that checked for updates everywhere, to everyone in the raid, no matter what zone they're in -- and did a comparison against the latest known version.

    If all raiding members are supposed to be updating BigWigs every week, for example, then there should be a check to see if they're all on the latest version of the entire addon. It doesn't matter at that point whether the raid we're going to on one particular night had changed data or not; the check is to see if they're on the latest version.

    The current version checks are useful as far as they go, but from a raid management standpoint it would be most helpful to have a check that compares to the latest version number seen in the raid, no matter what. (And it should check everyone regardless of what zone they're in -- the time you want to be checking people's versions and bugging them to get the upgrade is when the raid is forming, not when everybody's already in the zone.)
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    Two small issues:

    1) Version r4928 shows up in game as version 4922.

    2) The main BigWigs info page has an outdated link to this thread, which does not work.
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    posted a message on LittleWigs
    Error in heroic Utgarde Pinnacle on the first boss:

    Date: 2009-01-02 09:40:46
    ID: 1
    Error occured in: Global
    Count: 1
    Message: ...\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceLocale-2.2\AceLocale-2.2.lua line 487:
    AceLocale(BigWigsSvala Sorrowgrave): Translation "Preparation_message" does not exist.
    Debug:
    ...\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceLocale-2.2\AceLocale-2.2.lua:488:
    ...\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceLocale-2.2\AceLocale-2.2.lua:485
    ...\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceLocale-2.2\AceLocale-2.2.lua:46:
    ...\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceLocale-2.2\AceLocale-2.2.lua:44
    ...ddOns\LittleWigs_Howling_Fjord\Svala_Sorrowgrave.lua:134: ?()
    BigWigs\Prototype.lua:179:
    BigWigs\Prototype.lua:173
    [C]: ?
    ...ce\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:298: TriggerEvent()
    ...ce\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:910:
    ...ce\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:903
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    posted a message on LittleWigs
    Error using version r485, in the normal version of Violet Hold:

    Date: 2008-12-08 20:23:24
    ID: -1
    Error occured in: Global
    Count: 1
    Message: ...erface\AddOns\LittleWigs_Dalaran\The_Violet_Hold.lua line 161:
    attempt to call method 'ToggleModuleActive' (a nil value)
    Debug:
    ...ce\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:299: TriggerEvent()
    ...ce\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:910:
    ...ce\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:903
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    posted a message on NRT (Nihilum Raid Tracker by Rabbit) Questions
    In r59898, NRT isn't loading at all; this is with an install with externals. It gives the error:

    Interface\AddOns\NRT\NRT.lua:1: Cannot find a library instance of Deformat-2.0.

    It looks like that library isn't currently included with the standard install.
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