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    posted a message on Recommending you run an application as Adminstrator.
    Quote from Allara
    My perception from your posts above is that you were advocating for the WoW installer to modify Program Files\World of Warcraft ACLs in such a way as to allow access by any user and circumventing UAC. I think we've miscommunicated -- the virtualization should fix the issue. (In fact, with UAC turned on, it should be impossible for the above scenario to happen, and that was my original point.)

    I haven't looked into it -- if WoW indeed isn't setting this up properly, then they should fix it. Telling users to run as admin certainly isn't a good idea.



    Absolutely -- that's the whole point of UAC. It may or may not have been the best solution, but it was an attempt at fixing this fundamental flaw in Windows design.



    To me the UAC controls are what pop up and say, this program wants to access the network, this program wants to run as admin etc... and is not the same as simple file access permissions. What I am saying is that Blizzard saying to run WoW with Admin rights is very bad and wrong. I am also saying it is not needed and should and can be very easily fixed in their installer and repair utilities. I also have found that the virtualization works for letting WTF such be written and a small fix to make the AddOns directory also be in effect virutlizated would solve the add on matter... but the main sake of this has nothing to do with AddOns.... it is the idea that blizzard recommends running WoW with admin rights.

    What are you saying should be impossible with UAC tuned on?
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    posted a message on Recommending you run an application as Adminstrator.
    Yes, it does.... the main issue is that the installer does not change things to run properly from any account. Then Blizzards tells people to run WoW as root to get around the fact the installer does this. The addon issue is secondary but pretty easily dealt with in ways that are much less a hack then it seems most are doing. The virtualization works just fine, it is only an issue when people look for the AddOns directory for themselves, and a simple junction link would fix this.

    Most programs are able to install themselves so you do not have to be Admin to run them, and WoW should do the same. I can not see how doing so breaks any windows best practices, and if it does, then the best practices are really not.
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    posted a message on Recommending you run an application as Adminstrator.
    Sigh, I may have to code up a wow installation fixed as a proof of concept here?
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    posted a message on Recommending you run an application as Adminstrator.
    Then explain to me why, when all I did was edit the acls on wow installed files things then worked fine? Are you saying the editing the acls for files you install is not proper?

    As for best practices, running as root is far from it, and any best practice that has you doing this should be overuled. Since you say that MS would not allow this, I am going to actually ask them, now to just find a way/place that they may actually respond.


    Edit: hmm.. my belief is that moving the folder out is a hack solution, and they still have not fixed the core issues that they do not properly set up wow to run as a normal user, they leave the owner as the administrator account and file read only , this breaks things no matter where they install it, once you try to run it as the non installing account.

    UAC has nothing to do with it really...
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    posted a message on Recommending you run an application as Adminstrator.
    The installer can though, which would then make wow not be needed to be run as root. When I first installed WoW I hit issues, a friend said it was because Vista was not supported. I shrugged and went in and edited the acls (in the World of Warcraft directory), wow then ran fine including putting in addons, due to the way it remaps things, this could be done more explicitly by setting a junction point. I did this without even thinking twice about it before I even knew it was considered an 'issue'. It is possible, I did it, it ran just fine for months, till the exp. pack installer borked it. The ace addon isstaller also worked just fine with that set up.


    Setting Acls on files you install to override the inherited acls is hardly a hack or an arcane means in my book? It is in yours?

    WoW may have been designed in the early 2000s, but ntfs has been around since before this. Early 2000 was when I had to do some work in this area to write an installer for programs that needed to meet the FDA part 11 requirements. This can and should be fixed once and for all in the wow installer.
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    posted a message on Recommending you run an application as Adminstrator.
    Actually I am talking about WoW.... Vista, and while it is 'enforced' by the vista defaults some simple edits to the acls that should be done by the installer would fix this.

    This thead and a comment by a friend of mine got me thinking what do others think, as to me
    this is just not acceptable.... (running wow as admin)

    http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12661301751&sid=1
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    posted a message on Recommending you run an application as Adminstrator.
    Curious, what do others think of the idea of a software company recommending that users run an application with administrator rights ?
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    posted a message on itempricetooltip & sellfish backend
    Well, if the first few items I grabbed failed some regression tests I had in place my confidence in the data is not too high. I would prefer to at least not see obvious errors before I download and cache 10's of thousands of xml files. In addition, I actually do have at least two addons so far that want the purchase prices. WhoSells, so I can see if it is enough of a savings to go travel to get it, and another that will try and calculate the cost to make items, so it wants the buy prices for vendor buyable items.

    I also don't trust the other data at this point as I said, for example the drop places for the Feet of the Lynx, I don't think that is right either. So... since the data was better a couple of weeks ago when I first wrote the scanner I would prefer to wait till it seems better to run it again. Just wonder if Bliz is even aware yet it seems bad.
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    posted a message on itempricetooltip & sellfish backend
    yes, those are the items, now look at the sell/buy price information, it is showing the cost of linen cloth as being a glove of the fallen hero, and the cost of the feet of the lynx as being eye of the storm battle marks.
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    posted a message on Wiring a file via Lua
    Quote from galmok
    You could join a custom chat channel and output your log information to that channel. By enabling chat logging, you get a file with all your chat activity (and therefore also your log-channel). That log is written during gameplay.


    Quote from Pastamancer
    The contents of of the combat log are controlled by Blizzard.


    If what galmok says it true, no more or less so then a log file could/would be so what is your point?
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    posted a message on itempricetooltip & sellfish backend
    btw, I am holding off a bit on running a new update, as I have found some issues that are new with the armory since they 'added woltk' items... it seems to have messed up older items in the process...

    http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=2589 shows Gloves of the Fallen Hero for example and http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=1121 eye of the storm battle marks...

    if people can report these types of issues to blizzard maybe they will fix them, I find my bug reports just get deleted by them and have yet to ever get a response to them.
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    posted a message on itempricetooltip & sellfish backend
    I am working on updating ItemDataCache which supports the GetSellValue API , so that could be used as the backend for these, like ItemNotes is using.

    Should not even require any code changes.
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    posted a message on Compression algorithms
    Actually you are expanding the data not compressing it in this case, encoding can be neutral, expand or compress the data... but... in your case you are expanding it.
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    posted a message on how to update directly from wowace.com?
    Quote from Allara
    He means committing untested code, which usually isn't a great idea, but in your case I think you have a good excuse.


    Depends on the level of testing I guess.... but since part of what the packager does/can do is bring in your common libs in many cases you are not really testing the package delivered for sure till you at least have it build it for you, which should be an alpha, each check in should not be a release , just when you tell it to do a packaging.
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    posted a message on how to update directly from wowace.com?
    Quote from Allara
    We're getting further and further from topic here, heh. If you use Tortoise, just right click the parent folder of all your code, click TortoiseSVN -> Properties. Click New... Pick "svn:eol-style" from the drop down. Under property value, type "native". Check "apply property recursively". Click OK twice. Do this again any time you add a new file, as the pre-commit hooks will complain.


    yeah,,... ah well... but no, I dont use Tortoise, I am using the command line version from a nix box.
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