Did the latest release stop converting threat values to dps equivalents?
I seem to be getting 1/10 the TPS.
It's still working fine relative to everyone else on the list but was used to be able to quickly extrapolate the threat 'distance' to 2nd or top in terms of damage, now it's not as intuitive.
What I mean is that instead of say 90-110k tps in raids I'm seeing 9-11k tps with latest release.
Did the latest release stop converting threat values to dps equivalents?
I seem to be getting 1/10 the TPS.
It's still working fine relative to everyone else on the list but was used to be able to quickly extrapolate the threat 'distance' to 2nd or top in terms of damage, now it's not as intuitive.
What I mean is that instead of say 90-110k tps in raids I'm seeing 9-11k tps with latest release.
Back with some more info about this.
I tested solo and 5man and Omen is displaying same values as always (dps equivalents)
However in raids there is this strange division by 10 so I'm assuming it's on the Blizzard side of things.
No idea why they would make UnitDetailedThreatSituation() return different values in a raid environment (saw this both in 10/25) but there you have it.
Apart from the obvious inconvenience to end users having to adjust their perception of threat gaps in different environments
(which is not Omen's fault at all ofc)
the only real problem I see is with the threat calculation for mirror images and such when dps * 100 is going to give vastly inflated numbers when Blizzard returns threatValue/1000 instead of threatValue/100.
Edit2:
Scratch that it's not as simple as in raid / out of raid.
I formed a raid and tested outside of a raid environment by pulling Problim but still got normal values.
Could it be when you're in an instance server or zone related?
I've definitely seen it in DragonSoul raids.
(use at least 720p to be able to discern the text)
You'll see the mages shoot up way over the tanks when mirror image is up,
but their threat normalizes when it's over.
You'll also notice the tanks TPS in the 6-11K range when it's obviously 60-110k in dps equivalent values,
this is consistent with my own experiences in DS.
I've modified Omen locally to normalize threat so that it corresponds to damage by checking the zone atm (only observed this in Dragon Soul).
The divisor bringing raw threat values in line with damage seems to be gone in MoP.
At least out in the open/solo.
Haven't had a chance to test raids yet.
What I mean is
local isTanking, status, threatpct, rawthreatpct, threatvalue = UnitDetailedThreatSituation("unit", "mob")
On live with the exception of Dragon Soul you need to threatvalue/100 to bring it in line with damage done. (dragon soul is threatvalue/10)
Assuming "significantly increases threat generation" still means dmg * 5 for tank stances/forms/presences it appears that there is no divisor atm.
i.e. threatvalue = threat from damage.
Repeating that I haven't had a chance to test group content yet but I expect the same to hold true.
Any chance you can add the ability to disable warnings for Warlocks in Dark Apotheosis stance as you do for tank classes in their defensive stances? http://www.wowhead.com/spell=114168
What needs to be updated? No part of the threat API has changed in years. Just check "Load out of date addons" at the addon screen, and nobody has to waste time, disk space, and bandwidth updating a single digit.
This is one of the most popular addons and making sure load out of date addons is not checked is one of the ways to insure that your play experience is streamlined and as error free as possible.
There are over 15,000,000 downloads of this addon. Over 100,000 alone this month.
It is one of the most popular addons used in the game at this time.
Now I understand that addons are done with no compensation to the author(s) except
for donations, however even in that circumstance this is still a unprofessional
answer.
Hundreds of addons, where updated within hours of the update and some of those are
just as complex as this one if not more complex. The author's of those addons receive
no compensation except for donations either.
This answer that you provided is disapointing not just to me but to several people
I know in game who are anxiously waiting for it to be updated as well some of those
others that have left comments in these forums and I am sure countless others that
have not openly commented on this issue.
Well another answer is that truly broken addons will generate errors or just "not work" with "load out of date" checked or not.
Addons that need no actual code changes for a new patch (Omen3 is a good example of this) would only need a simple edit in their .toc file.
Finding the ##Interface:
line and putting 50100 after it
##Interface: 50100
It is a trivial edit you can do yourself by opening the addon .toc file in a text editor.
I'm not sure you truly understand the motivation behind writing and maintaining addons, professionalism doesn't enter into it.
You don't know if the author is even still playing, this is a hobby on top of a hobby.
Be grateful (or not) when something that enhances your play experience works and an author takes the extra step to maintain their addon - even after they've stopped playing sometimes - but they're in no way obliged to do so, donations or not.
You can also interpret what Phanx said to mean that "such a massively popular addon used by thousands of players not getting updated probably means it's working fine as it is" (which it does)
Hundreds of addons, where updated within hours of the update and some of those are just as complex as this one if not more complex. The author's of those addons receive no compensation except for donations either.
And those hundreds of addons are maintained by hundreds of different people who have absolutely nothing to do with each other. As Dridzt said, you don't even know if the author of Omen still plays the game. You don't even know if he's still alive. Maybe he got a new job. Maybe he had a kid. Maybe he was in a terrible accident. Maybe he got deployed with the military. Maybe he got married and his wife didn't like him spending 12 hours a day on WoW. Maybe he's sailing around the world. Maybe he decided to go be a missionary in Africa. You don't know.
Do you honestly believe he has any obligation whatsoever, to be "professional" or to do anything else, just because lots of people like his addon?
Do you honestly believe that updating a free addon for a video game is more important than his job, his family, his health, or whatever other real things are going on in his real life?
This answer that you provided is disapointing not just to me but to several people I know in game who are anxiously waiting for it to be updated as well some of those others that have left comments in these forums and I am sure countless others that have not openly commented on this issue.
Look, if he has the time and interest to "update" one digit in one file that has nothing to do with the addon's actual functionality, he will do it. If he doesn't have time, or doesn't care, he won't do it. It doesn't matter how many people "openly comment" on the "issue". This isn't politics, where you can maybe influence the process by getting enough people to speak up. This is one guy, taking time out of his free time to write free UI addons for a video game. He doesn't care if you go use another addon. In fact, with your attitude, he'd probably prefer you go use another addon.
Users like you, with your massive entitlement complex, complaining about how "unprofessional" it is for an addon author not to respond to everything immediately because it's such an emergency to spare you the soul-crushing horror of checking a box, really just make me want to replace all of my addons with goatse popups and quit WoW. I'd imagine other authors probably feel about the same. I do have a real job where I actually have some obligation to be "professional". This isn't it.
What needs to be updated? No part of the threat API has changed in years. Just check "Load out of date addons" at the addon screen, and nobody has to waste time, disk space, and bandwidth updating a single digit.
Instead of giving a who cares reply that sounded like you were the author of this addon you should made it clear you weren't. Since loading out of date addons can cause issues because of older addons that haven't been updated but need to be some people don't like forcing it.
Better yet would of been a calm reply that Dridzt provided telling the user how to fix it himself then we would have to read your QQ over really nothing.
Not my problem if you assume anyone who answers a question must be the author of the addon in question. If you don't even know who wrote the addon, you don't really have any room to complain about your perception of the tone of someone's answer on a public forum.
Users like you, with your massive entitlement complex, complaining about how "unprofessional" it is for an addon author not to respond to everything immediately because it's such an emergency to spare you the soul-crushing horror of checking a box, really just make me want to replace all of my addons with goatse popups and quit WoW. I'd imagine other authors probably feel about the same. I do have a real job where I actually have some obligation to be "professional". This isn't it.
Then quit, no one is forcing you to make your addon(s).
I have been playing WoW for years, have been using different versions of Omen almost from the beginning of my experiences with WoW since the same friends that introduced me to WoW introduced me to a set of addons I should use. Most are still around, however there are some that have been discontinued to be updated, most where eventually replaced with other addons that did the same thing others where taken over by new authors.
Now on to your viewpoints about being professional and unprofessional, well the lack of a update, any communication whatsoever from the author(s) of Omen3 that is unprofessional.
Want a example, I have one for you. If for any reason you had to get a probono attorney, an attorney that works at a firm and has a job and takes on cases without charging clients in there free time by there own choice. What would you expect from them. Your not paying them anything, but you are looking for there help in a system that they are trained in and you may not completly understand. You are in in just as much need of help as the paying clients. Should you expect anything from them at all? Should you receive the same attention from them as they provide there paying clients? I believe you should, they should act in the same manner for both clients. If they are not willing to provide the same service to both parties then they should not have taken on the probono cases.
The same applies for numerous other volunteer positions, fire fighting, hospitals and clinics, soup kitchens, libraries, social workers and yes WoW addon developers. The list just goes on and on and while some will view some of those positions as not necessary, a waste of time, a waste of resources, etc... There are others that look to services whatever they may be.
All of which those who use the resources provided by those volunteer's deserve to have them in a professional manner, that does include communication about the services they are providing. If the person who is providing the said service has a different perspective then they used to. They are tired, become to busy, have a life change, then so be it but it is unprofessional to relay in some manner to those who are making use of there services that something is changing (there will be a delay, services will be changed or no longer provided, etc...)
As for your comment about changing your addon(s) to provide a negative experience to players. How would you like it if you where using any of the services above and they did the same to you? Something to consider.
There have been questions for the authors, comments regarding this on numerous the forums of several WoW fansites about errors that are cropping up.
Some of ones I am personally reading are about Omen3 scripts running too long and I have gotten those recently from Omen3 also.
As other addons are updated some of them may be having a effect on some of the functions and code inside Omen3 which makes total sense. Having multiple addons from different authors that all react when events are thrown from WoW can cause interesting things to occur. You as a author of addon(s) I would hope are well aware of this.
Not my problem if you assume anyone who answers a question must be the author of the addon in question. If you don't even know who wrote the addon, you don't really have any room to complain about your perception of the tone of someone's answer on a public forum.
If there not the author of the addon then they should not be making assumptions, and/or answering question about that addon that are meant for the author and not for them.
I'm sorry, "Pro-bono" lawyers still draw a salary. They only do pro-bono work if they can afford it. Show me one fully pro-bono lawyer that does not take money from the firm for their work, that isn't independently wealthy.
Soup Kitchen volunteers, Volunteer Fire fighters, all of your examples.
They're all volunteers.
If they suddenly stop providing their service, it is not 'unprofessional'. What -is- unprofessional, is your expectation that things happen the way you want them to, purely because you consume a freely supplied service.
There is no contract signed, no Terms of Service agreed to. Merely "Here is an addon that I find useful. It works for me. If you want to use it, feel free." Take the service as it is provided. A freely offered one, with zero strings attached.
Authors write their addons to solve problems -they- are having. Not you, the completely unentitled stranger on the Internet. If it also solves a problem you are having, then that's a nice bonus for you. It really doesn't affect the author at all.
Quite simply, if you want something done right, do it yourself. Change the XML, tick that box.
I'm sorry, "Pro-bono" lawyers still draw a salary. They only do pro-bono work if they can afford it. Show me one fully pro-bono lawyer that does not take money from the firm for their work, that isn't independently wealthy.
Soup Kitchen volunteers, Volunteer Fire fighters, all of your examples.
They're all volunteers.
If they suddenly stop providing their service, it is not 'unprofessional'. What -is- unprofessional, is your expectation that things happen the way you want them to, purely because you consume a freely supplied service.
Well first off you don't know what your talking about, do some research before you post. Especially the parts about the expectations of volunteers by organizations that use that. I can tell you havn't had any real dealings in that aspect of life.
You used my example of Volunteer Fire Fighters so lets use that one. One day someone is in need of there service, they come, but there two of them which for what ever reason do not wish to perform up to your expectations and as a result some aspect of someone's life changes. Should those two have been more professional?
Want a less dramatic example? A local volunteer who has been volunteering at the library starts re-shelving books in the wrong places to get the job done faster. They go to a location that one of the books belong and place other books that need re-shelving there also to get things done faster. One day you find yourself wanting a book and you can't find it. The library catalog says it is not checked out. The seek assistance from the staff in finding the book and they can't locate it and start there internal process to locate the book which could take a great deal of time depending on the size of the library. Have the actions of this one volunteer affected you in any way? Should they have been more professional.
You are healer in the middle of a guild raid in WoW. You are in phase 3 of a boss fight. Suddenly you have attracted the attention of a mob, the tank does not pull the mob from you and you die, you are typing for the tank to pull aggro as a second healer dies. You do not understand what is going on as the healing of the raid has been affected and dps start dying and the battle ends in a wipe. The whole course of events in the above example happen in the course of 5-10 seconds(may seem unrealistic to some but consider things are measured in dps and hps and it can happen that fast).
Now lets do this from the tanks perspective. He is tanking then suddenly a windows pops up in the center of his screen about a addon error(for the sake of this example the addon has not been updated from the last game patch and the tank has selected load out of date addon(s) as so many of you have suggested). The battle requires certain mechanics that require certain actions and the tank is not prepared for the error and in the time it takes to just clear the error box from the screen one of the healers dies, the tank tries to get aggro again as another healer dies, finally he gets aggro however his hit points are now dropping fast as the remaining healers try to keep him alive and try to keep the rest of the raid alive. His hit points eventually fall to 0 and followed by the remainder of the raid.
At this point it could lead anywhere, they might start blaming the tank, they might quit for that session, they might continue, some of them may have to repair and taking time to go find a repair npc if no one has a repair bot. Then it takes time to go back to the location in the raid and rebuff and get back to phase 3 of the fight.
The wow event I have exampled is may be dramatic and the such occurrences don't happen that often I know but my response is not about how likely a event is to occur.
If you have been in a raid that takes precise use of certain mechanics to succeed in that encounter then you know what those involved in this situation would be feeling after the events, you know some of them would may be upset to various degrees. Who is responsible for what has happened?
Should the tank have expected not to get the error pop up for any reason? I would ask if he should have been using the addon and I probably should but so many of you in this thread seem to think that pressing load out of date addons is of no consequence.
I could keep going on for I don't know how long. I mean really, how can those of you in this thread keep defending this kind of behavior as professional or acceptable? You think none of the examples apply to you, you can't visualize the effect it has on those in the examples? Well, find a example that you can visualize that helps you understand. If you are a player of WoW and have played for any long amount of time in raiding then you have experienced events similar to the wow example when it comes to the parts of doing the mechanics correctly, spending time getting to a certain point in the fight and having to start over cause of a wipe.
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Curse PremiumI seem to be getting 1/10 the TPS.
It's still working fine relative to everyone else on the list but was used to be able to quickly extrapolate the threat 'distance' to 2nd or top in terms of damage, now it's not as intuitive.
What I mean is that instead of say 90-110k tps in raids I'm seeing 9-11k tps with latest release.
Maybe Blizz wanted to fix the threat cap being to low (20mio)
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I tested solo and 5man and Omen is displaying same values as always (dps equivalents)
However in raids there is this strange division by 10 so I'm assuming it's on the Blizzard side of things.
No idea why they would make UnitDetailedThreatSituation() return different values in a raid environment (saw this both in 10/25) but there you have it.
Apart from the obvious inconvenience to end users having to adjust their perception of threat gaps in different environments
(which is not Omen's fault at all ofc)
the only real problem I see is with the threat calculation for mirror images and such when dps * 100 is going to give vastly inflated numbers when Blizzard returns threatValue/1000 instead of threatValue/100.
Edit2:
Scratch that it's not as simple as in raid / out of raid.
I formed a raid and tested outside of a raid environment by pulling Problim but still got normal values.
Could it be when you're in an instance server or zone related?
I've definitely seen it in DragonSoul raids.
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(use at least 720p to be able to discern the text)
You'll see the mages shoot up way over the tanks when mirror image is up,
but their threat normalizes when it's over.
You'll also notice the tanks TPS in the 6-11K range when it's obviously 60-110k in dps equivalent values,
this is consistent with my own experiences in DS.
I've modified Omen locally to normalize threat so that it corresponds to damage by checking the zone atm (only observed this in Dragon Soul).
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Curse PremiumAt least out in the open/solo.
Haven't had a chance to test raids yet.
What I mean is
local isTanking, status, threatpct, rawthreatpct, threatvalue = UnitDetailedThreatSituation("unit", "mob")On live with the exception of Dragon Soul you need to threatvalue/100 to bring it in line with damage done. (dragon soul is threatvalue/10)Assuming "significantly increases threat generation" still means dmg * 5 for tank stances/forms/presences it appears that there is no divisor atm.
i.e. threatvalue = threat from damage.
Repeating that I haven't had a chance to test group content yet but I expect the same to hold true.
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Curse PremiumOr will a last minute update come out tonight?
It got updated. Thanks!
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=114168
There are over 15,000,000 downloads of this addon. Over 100,000 alone this month.
It is one of the most popular addons used in the game at this time.
Now I understand that addons are done with no compensation to the author(s) except
for donations, however even in that circumstance this is still a unprofessional
answer.
Hundreds of addons, where updated within hours of the update and some of those are
just as complex as this one if not more complex. The author's of those addons receive
no compensation except for donations either.
This answer that you provided is disapointing not just to me but to several people
I know in game who are anxiously waiting for it to be updated as well some of those
others that have left comments in these forums and I am sure countless others that
have not openly commented on this issue.
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Curse PremiumAddons that need no actual code changes for a new patch (Omen3 is a good example of this) would only need a simple edit in their .toc file.
Finding the ##Interface:
line and putting 50100 after it
It is a trivial edit you can do yourself by opening the addon .toc file in a text editor.
I'm not sure you truly understand the motivation behind writing and maintaining addons, professionalism doesn't enter into it.
You don't know if the author is even still playing, this is a hobby on top of a hobby.
Be grateful (or not) when something that enhances your play experience works and an author takes the extra step to maintain their addon - even after they've stopped playing sometimes - but they're in no way obliged to do so, donations or not.
You can also interpret what Phanx said to mean that "such a massively popular addon used by thousands of players not getting updated probably means it's working fine as it is" (which it does)
I'm not the author of the addon in question, nor involved with its development in any way, so I fail to see what is "unprofessional" about my answer.
And those hundreds of addons are maintained by hundreds of different people who have absolutely nothing to do with each other. As Dridzt said, you don't even know if the author of Omen still plays the game. You don't even know if he's still alive. Maybe he got a new job. Maybe he had a kid. Maybe he was in a terrible accident. Maybe he got deployed with the military. Maybe he got married and his wife didn't like him spending 12 hours a day on WoW. Maybe he's sailing around the world. Maybe he decided to go be a missionary in Africa. You don't know.
Do you honestly believe he has any obligation whatsoever, to be "professional" or to do anything else, just because lots of people like his addon?
Do you honestly believe that updating a free addon for a video game is more important than his job, his family, his health, or whatever other real things are going on in his real life?
Look, if he has the time and interest to "update" one digit in one file that has nothing to do with the addon's actual functionality, he will do it. If he doesn't have time, or doesn't care, he won't do it. It doesn't matter how many people "openly comment" on the "issue". This isn't politics, where you can maybe influence the process by getting enough people to speak up. This is one guy, taking time out of his free time to write free UI addons for a video game. He doesn't care if you go use another addon. In fact, with your attitude, he'd probably prefer you go use another addon.
Users like you, with your massive entitlement complex, complaining about how "unprofessional" it is for an addon author not to respond to everything immediately because it's such an emergency to spare you the soul-crushing horror of checking a box, really just make me want to replace all of my addons with goatse popups and quit WoW. I'd imagine other authors probably feel about the same. I do have a real job where I actually have some obligation to be "professional". This isn't it.
Instead of giving a who cares reply that sounded like you were the author of this addon you should made it clear you weren't. Since loading out of date addons can cause issues because of older addons that haven't been updated but need to be some people don't like forcing it.
Better yet would of been a calm reply that Dridzt provided telling the user how to fix it himself then we would have to read your QQ over really nothing.
Then quit, no one is forcing you to make your addon(s).
I have been playing WoW for years, have been using different versions of Omen almost from the beginning of my experiences with WoW since the same friends that introduced me to WoW introduced me to a set of addons I should use. Most are still around, however there are some that have been discontinued to be updated, most where eventually replaced with other addons that did the same thing others where taken over by new authors.
Now on to your viewpoints about being professional and unprofessional, well the lack of a update, any communication whatsoever from the author(s) of Omen3 that is unprofessional.
Want a example, I have one for you. If for any reason you had to get a probono attorney, an attorney that works at a firm and has a job and takes on cases without charging clients in there free time by there own choice. What would you expect from them. Your not paying them anything, but you are looking for there help in a system that they are trained in and you may not completly understand. You are in in just as much need of help as the paying clients. Should you expect anything from them at all? Should you receive the same attention from them as they provide there paying clients? I believe you should, they should act in the same manner for both clients. If they are not willing to provide the same service to both parties then they should not have taken on the probono cases.
The same applies for numerous other volunteer positions, fire fighting, hospitals and clinics, soup kitchens, libraries, social workers and yes WoW addon developers. The list just goes on and on and while some will view some of those positions as not necessary, a waste of time, a waste of resources, etc... There are others that look to services whatever they may be.
All of which those who use the resources provided by those volunteer's deserve to have them in a professional manner, that does include communication about the services they are providing. If the person who is providing the said service has a different perspective then they used to. They are tired, become to busy, have a life change, then so be it but it is unprofessional to relay in some manner to those who are making use of there services that something is changing (there will be a delay, services will be changed or no longer provided, etc...)
As for your comment about changing your addon(s) to provide a negative experience to players. How would you like it if you where using any of the services above and they did the same to you? Something to consider.
There have been questions for the authors, comments regarding this on numerous the forums of several WoW fansites about errors that are cropping up.
Some of ones I am personally reading are about Omen3 scripts running too long and I have gotten those recently from Omen3 also.
As other addons are updated some of them may be having a effect on some of the functions and code inside Omen3 which makes total sense. Having multiple addons from different authors that all react when events are thrown from WoW can cause interesting things to occur. You as a author of addon(s) I would hope are well aware of this.
If there not the author of the addon then they should not be making assumptions, and/or answering question about that addon that are meant for the author and not for them.
It has began to produce errors, browse some forums from some of the other fansites or WoW official forums.
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Curse PremiumSoup Kitchen volunteers, Volunteer Fire fighters, all of your examples.
They're all volunteers.
If they suddenly stop providing their service, it is not 'unprofessional'. What -is- unprofessional, is your expectation that things happen the way you want them to, purely because you consume a freely supplied service.
There is no contract signed, no Terms of Service agreed to. Merely "Here is an addon that I find useful. It works for me. If you want to use it, feel free." Take the service as it is provided. A freely offered one, with zero strings attached.
Authors write their addons to solve problems -they- are having. Not you, the completely unentitled stranger on the Internet. If it also solves a problem you are having, then that's a nice bonus for you. It really doesn't affect the author at all.
Quite simply, if you want something done right, do it yourself. Change the XML, tick that box.
Physician, heal thyself.
Well first off you don't know what your talking about, do some research before you post. Especially the parts about the expectations of volunteers by organizations that use that. I can tell you havn't had any real dealings in that aspect of life.
You used my example of Volunteer Fire Fighters so lets use that one. One day someone is in need of there service, they come, but there two of them which for what ever reason do not wish to perform up to your expectations and as a result some aspect of someone's life changes. Should those two have been more professional?
Want a less dramatic example? A local volunteer who has been volunteering at the library starts re-shelving books in the wrong places to get the job done faster. They go to a location that one of the books belong and place other books that need re-shelving there also to get things done faster. One day you find yourself wanting a book and you can't find it. The library catalog says it is not checked out. The seek assistance from the staff in finding the book and they can't locate it and start there internal process to locate the book which could take a great deal of time depending on the size of the library. Have the actions of this one volunteer affected you in any way? Should they have been more professional.
You are healer in the middle of a guild raid in WoW. You are in phase 3 of a boss fight. Suddenly you have attracted the attention of a mob, the tank does not pull the mob from you and you die, you are typing for the tank to pull aggro as a second healer dies. You do not understand what is going on as the healing of the raid has been affected and dps start dying and the battle ends in a wipe. The whole course of events in the above example happen in the course of 5-10 seconds(may seem unrealistic to some but consider things are measured in dps and hps and it can happen that fast).
Now lets do this from the tanks perspective. He is tanking then suddenly a windows pops up in the center of his screen about a addon error(for the sake of this example the addon has not been updated from the last game patch and the tank has selected load out of date addon(s) as so many of you have suggested). The battle requires certain mechanics that require certain actions and the tank is not prepared for the error and in the time it takes to just clear the error box from the screen one of the healers dies, the tank tries to get aggro again as another healer dies, finally he gets aggro however his hit points are now dropping fast as the remaining healers try to keep him alive and try to keep the rest of the raid alive. His hit points eventually fall to 0 and followed by the remainder of the raid.
At this point it could lead anywhere, they might start blaming the tank, they might quit for that session, they might continue, some of them may have to repair and taking time to go find a repair npc if no one has a repair bot. Then it takes time to go back to the location in the raid and rebuff and get back to phase 3 of the fight.
The wow event I have exampled is may be dramatic and the such occurrences don't happen that often I know but my response is not about how likely a event is to occur.
If you have been in a raid that takes precise use of certain mechanics to succeed in that encounter then you know what those involved in this situation would be feeling after the events, you know some of them would may be upset to various degrees. Who is responsible for what has happened?
Should the tank have expected not to get the error pop up for any reason? I would ask if he should have been using the addon and I probably should but so many of you in this thread seem to think that pressing load out of date addons is of no consequence.
I could keep going on for I don't know how long. I mean really, how can those of you in this thread keep defending this kind of behavior as professional or acceptable? You think none of the examples apply to you, you can't visualize the effect it has on those in the examples? Well, find a example that you can visualize that helps you understand. If you are a player of WoW and have played for any long amount of time in raiding then you have experienced events similar to the wow example when it comes to the parts of doing the mechanics correctly, spending time getting to a certain point in the fight and having to start over cause of a wipe.