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Happened after a preist did !buff -kings +salv. Basically I think a 3rd paladin was added while I was in combat(i think) to the group, i set up blessings again(not in combat). After this error he the priest was assigned Kings from a paladin without kings talent and a 10 min salv from me (doing 30 min kings). Another thing to add i guess, in the blessing manager for the paladin icon I only see the number 2 on the top for the listed class but I still can change his blessings.
In the Blessings Manager, is there a way to set greater/normal priorities for a sub-class for a given paladin to buff? For example, When there is both a shadow and holy priest, I want to be able to set it so that Greater Salvation is always cast first, and the Holy Priest will always be assigned as an exception to buff Wisdom. As it currently is, the subclasses reading from left to right, the left will always be the one to get the greater blessing (typically a healer subclass). I want to be able to assign which gets the greater blessing, and which gets the shorter blessings for a given sub class manually within the blessings manager.
The current way around it is to manually buff the person(s) involved using the learning function. I want to be able to assign it in the manager, generate, and be done with it.
Edit:
Other examples I can think off is that I would want to make sure the Prot Warrior gets the Greater Kings and with the DPS warrior getting the shorter Salv, or a Bear Druid getting Greater Light over a Moonkin getting a shorter Wisdom, etc etc. I'm sure different people have their own preferences on which subclass gets the Greater Blessing over which other subclass classified as an exception.
Only thing I see thats missing is I would love a setting to configure to missing buff warning so it shows up every 5-10-15-30 seconds. As it is now If im missing a buff it shows up 1x. as far as I know.
I tried it again last night in a ZA run with one other paladin. He was running PallyPower, and was familiar with the experience of trying to set up blessings with ZOMGBuffs running in the raid from our earlier night's raid.
I had all learning disabled and combed through the interface to find anything else that might need to be disabled or checked.
We noticed immediately that any attempt he made to assign 10m buffs to me were not picked up by ZOMGbuffs at all (he would change it in PallyPower, hit refresh, and notice that it would be immediately overwritten by me with what it was before).
We didn't take the testing further from there.
Perhaps if a later ZOMGbuffs edition fixes the sync with PallyPower we won't have issues, or if the other paladins decide to adopt ZOMGbuffs. We'll see, and I'll keep an eye on this thread to see if anyone reports successful raid use of ZOMGbuffs with a later version.
We noticed immediately that any attempt he made to assign 10m buffs to me were not picked up by ZOMGbuffs at all (he would change it in PallyPower, hit refresh, and notice that it would be immediately overwritten by me with what it was before).
You're having the same problem I had, that ultimately made me throw my hands in the air and give up on an otherwise decent mod: ZMGB only seems to play well with pally power if ZMGB gets to be in control.
Like you, I'm eagerly watching progress and hoping this gets fixed sometime soon.
You're having the same problem I had, that ultimately made me throw my hands in the air and give up on an otherwise decent mod: ZMGB only seems to play well with pally power if ZMGB gets to be in control.
Like you, I'm eagerly watching progress and hoping this gets fixed sometime soon.
The mod would kick ass if it was more accepting of other players assigning buffs. Once those quirks are worked out, it'll rock.
The mod would kick ass if it was more accepting of other players assigning buffs. Once those quirks are worked out, it'll rock.
I think it works great if the other player assigning buffs is using ZMGB.
It will get there, it's still a fairly young mod going through growing pains.
Zek, if there is any sort of debug or other testing you can guide me through to help sort out why this is happening, I'll be glad to help out with what I can. :)
If you get a chance, can you check the "mousewheel buff" related code? I have my mousewheel up/down both bound to a particular action button instead of Zoom In / Out, and every time I load my UI, either mousewheel up or down (but never both) will end up bound back to a Zoom In / Out function. I have mouswheel buffing turned off in ZOMGBuffs.
More info on the all buffs resetting to BOM on death bug. Attached is a screenie. Basically says "you can no longer do some blessings as defined in your template, these have been replaced." I was blessing all kings and I obviously can:P
Also got this error at one point sorry not sure what I did:
[2008/04/09 20:28:08-3340-x1]: ZOMGBuffs-68821\ZOMGBuffs.lua:3652: Usage: UnitName("unit")
ZOMGBuffs-68821\ZOMGBuffs.lua:3652: in function <Interface\AddOns\ZOMGBuffs\ZOMGBuffs.lua:3554>
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BuffTehRaid -> Behavior -> Minimum Group = 4
BuffTehRaid -> Behavior -> Wait for Class/Group (OFF)
Autobuff counts out of range/out of zone players to meet the "Minimum Group" requirement even though they will not get the buff.
I have "Wait for Class/Group" off because I prefer to cast single buffs on in range players while waiting for laggers or while running back. If I turn Wait for Class/Group on, then it won't buff in range players who need buffs while we wait. I would like to configure the autobuff key to always cast buffs when someone in range needs one without wasting group buff reagents because some players are out of range.
I also did not have BoM as a higher priority than anything else for paladins, yet it was assigned to be cast on us, but Sanctuary wasn't even being assigned as a 10m version, yet I was definitely classed as a tank under the Paladin section of Blessing Manager (and sanctuary was the highest priority buff or one of the top two at least).
I do, however, find the interface very confusing.
So far as I can tell, the intent of the Blessing Manager is that you can see what assignments are and edit them there for the specific raid you are in. You can open up the config section and specify buff priority (1 being the highest?), which I assume is used when you hit "Generate" only?
Generate rarely does what I think it should based on the priorities I set up, however.
On ZOMG taking over without being asked to...is there some code in there that checks to see if you are an assistant when you zone into a raid zone, and generates assignments at that time? Perhaps some kind of attempt to automatically set things up when a raid is starting that is triggering more often than intended?
If I can narrow down any of the bugs I'll post about it. The mod certainly has potential, and I like that it includes my aura and handles more than paladin buffs, so I really WANT it to work out.
We've been using 100% Generated assignments in our raids for months now without issues. If something is on top priority(row1) then it's included, unless the only paladin can't buff it then the next spell is taken. We have a tank/holy pala mix too, and the sanctuary is assigned as expected to the 1 who can buff it as an exception.
So yes, if you can give some specific cases where it's not working that would help immensely.
And if Generate is not doing what you expect, then please please be more specific. What did you expect it to do, and what did it do?
Assignments are never auto-generated, but other Paladins are free to change their own assignments, as is always the case.
In the Blessings Manager, is there a way to set greater/normal priorities for a sub-class for a given paladin to buff? For example, When there is both a shadow and holy priest, I want to be able to set it so that Greater Salvation is always cast first, and the Holy Priest will always be assigned as an exception to buff Wisdom. As it currently is, the subclasses reading from left to right, the left will always be the one to get the greater blessing (typically a healer subclass). I want to be able to assign which gets the greater blessing, and which gets the shorter blessings for a given sub class manually within the blessings manager.
The current way around it is to manually buff the person(s) involved using the learning function. I want to be able to assign it in the manager, generate, and be done with it.
Edit:
Other examples I can think off is that I would want to make sure the Prot Warrior gets the Greater Kings and with the DPS warrior getting the shorter Salv, or a Bear Druid getting Greater Light over a Moonkin getting a shorter Wisdom, etc etc. I'm sure different people have their own preferences on which subclass gets the Greater Blessing over which other subclass classified as an exception.
If you're using the generated templates, simple drag'n'drop the shadow priests to the Caster DPS column. They will then have their own buffing priority order as shown in the Caster DPS column under manager configured template.
As to which buff is assigned as a greater blessing, that's done based on which sub-class is most popular. If there was 1 holy priest and 4 shadow priests, then you wouldn't want to cast 1 greater then 4 singles, when you could instead cast 1 greater and 1 single.
There is some room for options regarding this, but for the moment it's done on a fewest casts basis. Stay tuned.
More info on the all buffs resetting to BOM on death bug. Attached is a screenie. Basically says "you can no longer do some blessings as defined in your template, these have been replaced." I was blessing all kings and I obviously can:P
Also got this error at one point sorry not sure what I did:
[2008/04/09 20:28:08-3340-x1]: ZOMGBuffs-68821\ZOMGBuffs.lua:3652: Usage: UnitName("unit")
ZOMGBuffs-68821\ZOMGBuffs.lua:3652: in function <Interface\AddOns\ZOMGBuffs\ZOMGBuffs.lua:3554>
---
Ok. Thanks, will fix that. It should only check that after a talent change. :|
Another suggestion.
Is it possible to make it so I can assign/switch which paladin gets assigned to which row on the blessing manager? For example, when the generator generates an (almost) complete row of Kings and Salvation, I want to be able to switch who gets which row. Reason I ask this, a few paladins insists on doing all Kings etc, and I want to be able to swap the paladin list order in the blessings assignment, by dragging or pulldown list or whatever works. Currently, if i wanted someone else to be assigned a particular row of assignments, I have to click each class separately for both paladins, which kinda defeats the purpose of the generator in the first place. Reason I ask for this is, as a Prot Paladin, I want to be the one buffing them Salvation, which some lazy Holy Paladin insists on Kings. I want to be able to rotate which paladin is assigned to which row.
For example, lets assume the auto generator gives the first paladin A a complete Salvation, and paladin B all Kings. But paladin A wants to buff all Kings instead. I want to have a little arrow or a pulldown list which lets me move paladin A down the list, so swapping the listing order of each paladin on the blessings manager.
Simply put, I want to be able to move the paladin listing order around on the blessings manager, so I can assign who gets which row with ease.
Last night the paladin in our raids that I have do assignments switched to ZOMGBuffs, and as anticipated, he was able to assign 10m buffs to PallyPower users just fine.
It is just PallyPower that is unable to fully assign buffs to someone using ZOMGBuffs. As long as the person assigning is using ZOMG, thinks work great, or so it seems after one night in Hyjal.
Did you have the chance to look at the buffing of pets? It still doesn't seem to work. There are buffs missing and I don't get a notification for them.
Another suggestion.
Is it possible to make it so I can assign/switch which paladin gets assigned to which row on the blessing manager? For example, when the generator generates an (almost) complete row of Kings and Salvation, I want to be able to switch who gets which row. Reason I ask this, a few paladins insists on doing all Kings etc, and I want to be able to swap the paladin list order in the blessings assignment, by dragging or pulldown list or whatever works. Currently, if i wanted someone else to be assigned a particular row of assignments, I have to click each class separately for both paladins, which kinda defeats the purpose of the generator in the first place. Reason I ask for this is, as a Prot Paladin, I want to be the one buffing them Salvation, which some lazy Holy Paladin insists on Kings. I want to be able to rotate which paladin is assigned to which row.
For example, lets assume the auto generator gives the first paladin A a complete Salvation, and paladin B all Kings. But paladin A wants to buff all Kings instead. I want to have a little arrow or a pulldown list which lets me move paladin A down the list, so swapping the listing order of each paladin on the blessings manager.
Simply put, I want to be able to move the paladin listing order around on the blessings manager, so I can assign who gets which row with ease.
Adding on to this, it would be great to be able to set up some sort of priority on what paladin gets assigned what blessing, and cache this information incase you group with them in the future. Generally other paladins in our raid get too caught up in the action to realize a buff is missing mid-combat and people get grumpy when they are missing salv. I try to assign my self salv if possible(not always the case).
Also sometimes our protection paladin gets assigned salvation even though its not listed at all under their subclass, it would be nice if a blessing(mainly salv) isnt listed at all for a subclass that any other blessing on the list is assigned as a 10 minute if possible(not often you see enough paladins for every possible blessing).
BuffTehRaid -> Behavior -> Minimum Group = 4
BuffTehRaid -> Behavior -> Wait for Class/Group (OFF)
Autobuff counts out of range/out of zone players to meet the "Minimum Group" requirement even though they will not get the buff.
I have "Wait for Class/Group" off because I prefer to cast single buffs on in range players while waiting for laggers or while running back. If I turn Wait for Class/Group on, then it won't buff in range players who need buffs while we wait. I would like to configure the autobuff key to always cast buffs when someone in range needs one without wasting group buff reagents because some players are out of range.
Today, still using r68821, this feature seems to be working properly. I'll let you know if I figure out what was happening to make it cast group buffs with most players out of range.
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Curse PremiumThat would explain it resetting my buffs to all BOM everytime I died on Kael maybe as well.
Happened after a preist did !buff -kings +salv. Basically I think a 3rd paladin was added while I was in combat(i think) to the group, i set up blessings again(not in combat). After this error he the priest was assigned Kings from a paladin without kings talent and a 10 min salv from me (doing 30 min kings). Another thing to add i guess, in the blessing manager for the paladin icon I only see the number 2 on the top for the listed class but I still can change his blessings.
The current way around it is to manually buff the person(s) involved using the learning function. I want to be able to assign it in the manager, generate, and be done with it.
Edit:
Other examples I can think off is that I would want to make sure the Prot Warrior gets the Greater Kings and with the DPS warrior getting the shorter Salv, or a Bear Druid getting Greater Light over a Moonkin getting a shorter Wisdom, etc etc. I'm sure different people have their own preferences on which subclass gets the Greater Blessing over which other subclass classified as an exception.
I had all learning disabled and combed through the interface to find anything else that might need to be disabled or checked.
We noticed immediately that any attempt he made to assign 10m buffs to me were not picked up by ZOMGbuffs at all (he would change it in PallyPower, hit refresh, and notice that it would be immediately overwritten by me with what it was before).
We didn't take the testing further from there.
Perhaps if a later ZOMGbuffs edition fixes the sync with PallyPower we won't have issues, or if the other paladins decide to adopt ZOMGbuffs. We'll see, and I'll keep an eye on this thread to see if anyone reports successful raid use of ZOMGbuffs with a later version.
You're having the same problem I had, that ultimately made me throw my hands in the air and give up on an otherwise decent mod: ZMGB only seems to play well with pally power if ZMGB gets to be in control.
Like you, I'm eagerly watching progress and hoping this gets fixed sometime soon.
The mod would kick ass if it was more accepting of other players assigning buffs. Once those quirks are worked out, it'll rock.
I think it works great if the other player assigning buffs is using ZMGB.
It will get there, it's still a fairly young mod going through growing pains.
Zek, if there is any sort of debug or other testing you can guide me through to help sort out why this is happening, I'll be glad to help out with what I can. :)
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Curse PremiumAlso got this error at one point sorry not sure what I did:
[2008/04/09 20:28:08-3340-x1]: ZOMGBuffs-68821\ZOMGBuffs.lua:3652: Usage: UnitName("unit") ZOMGBuffs-68821\ZOMGBuffs.lua:3652: in function <Interface\AddOns\ZOMGBuffs\ZOMGBuffs.lua:3554> ---BuffTehRaid -> Behavior -> Minimum Group = 4
BuffTehRaid -> Behavior -> Wait for Class/Group (OFF)
Autobuff counts out of range/out of zone players to meet the "Minimum Group" requirement even though they will not get the buff.
I have "Wait for Class/Group" off because I prefer to cast single buffs on in range players while waiting for laggers or while running back. If I turn Wait for Class/Group on, then it won't buff in range players who need buffs while we wait. I would like to configure the autobuff key to always cast buffs when someone in range needs one without wasting group buff reagents because some players are out of range.
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Curse PremiumWe've been using 100% Generated assignments in our raids for months now without issues. If something is on top priority(row1) then it's included, unless the only paladin can't buff it then the next spell is taken. We have a tank/holy pala mix too, and the sanctuary is assigned as expected to the 1 who can buff it as an exception.
So yes, if you can give some specific cases where it's not working that would help immensely.
And if Generate is not doing what you expect, then please please be more specific. What did you expect it to do, and what did it do?
Assignments are never auto-generated, but other Paladins are free to change their own assignments, as is always the case.
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Curse PremiumIf you're using the generated templates, simple drag'n'drop the shadow priests to the Caster DPS column. They will then have their own buffing priority order as shown in the Caster DPS column under manager configured template.
As to which buff is assigned as a greater blessing, that's done based on which sub-class is most popular. If there was 1 holy priest and 4 shadow priests, then you wouldn't want to cast 1 greater then 4 singles, when you could instead cast 1 greater and 1 single.
There is some room for options regarding this, but for the moment it's done on a fewest casts basis. Stay tuned.
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Curse PremiumOk. Thanks, will fix that. It should only check that after a talent change. :|
So, Greater Kings on Warriors (Pets also get 30 Min of Kings).
Then if buffs 10 Min Salvation on 2 off the 4 Hunter Pets.
If I manually buff Kings on the Pet, it buffs salvation immediatly after.
I have no clue. Re-Install and clean out the settings in the WTF? Or is it some bug?
Is it possible to make it so I can assign/switch which paladin gets assigned to which row on the blessing manager? For example, when the generator generates an (almost) complete row of Kings and Salvation, I want to be able to switch who gets which row. Reason I ask this, a few paladins insists on doing all Kings etc, and I want to be able to swap the paladin list order in the blessings assignment, by dragging or pulldown list or whatever works. Currently, if i wanted someone else to be assigned a particular row of assignments, I have to click each class separately for both paladins, which kinda defeats the purpose of the generator in the first place. Reason I ask for this is, as a Prot Paladin, I want to be the one buffing them Salvation, which some lazy Holy Paladin insists on Kings. I want to be able to rotate which paladin is assigned to which row.
For example, lets assume the auto generator gives the first paladin A a complete Salvation, and paladin B all Kings. But paladin A wants to buff all Kings instead. I want to have a little arrow or a pulldown list which lets me move paladin A down the list, so swapping the listing order of each paladin on the blessings manager.
Simply put, I want to be able to move the paladin listing order around on the blessings manager, so I can assign who gets which row with ease.
It is just PallyPower that is unable to fully assign buffs to someone using ZOMGBuffs. As long as the person assigning is using ZOMG, thinks work great, or so it seems after one night in Hyjal.
Adding on to this, it would be great to be able to set up some sort of priority on what paladin gets assigned what blessing, and cache this information incase you group with them in the future. Generally other paladins in our raid get too caught up in the action to realize a buff is missing mid-combat and people get grumpy when they are missing salv. I try to assign my self salv if possible(not always the case).
Also sometimes our protection paladin gets assigned salvation even though its not listed at all under their subclass, it would be nice if a blessing(mainly salv) isnt listed at all for a subclass that any other blessing on the list is assigned as a 10 minute if possible(not often you see enough paladins for every possible blessing).
Today, still using r68821, this feature seems to be working properly. I'll let you know if I figure out what was happening to make it cast group buffs with most players out of range.