With the changes, you might want to consider tracking Winter's Chill too. That's an easy buff to keep stacked, though, but some magi might want to know what mobs have it stacked.
Don't worry! The Blacklist has always been overly complicated (particularly when I first released the addon, and it functioned the opposite way, like a Whitelist!)
I'm thinking of completely removing it in the WotLK version - unless I'm missing something, I can't see that it's needed any more, now that I can get the scorch debuff status directly from the mob, so if a non-Imp Scorch mage scorches a mob, it just won't count and I don't need to actively ignore it, I think.
Similarly, I don't think there's a need for the sync'ing code either, for the same reason. I'd like to restore the casting indication functionality, which requires that the add-ons talk to each other, but I don't think I need to actually exchange scorch information to keep track of the stack.
The only downside of dropping the sync'ing code is that you won't see scorches from the other side of AV - only those within combatlog range, which was massively extended in 2.4.
OK - having woken up a little more, I've now realised that sync'ing really is still required, else you won't see bars for any mob you've not actually scorched yourself, and the bars won't update for anything other than your target! Silly Ennui!
So, another question - along with Winter's Chill, is there anything else mages would appreciate being tracked by Scorchio! in the next version?
Would it be possible/logical to turn the bulk of this addon, the internal tracking part, into some sort of library (correct term?) to plug into other addons and then have Scorchio be a simple front end? Maybe the library can track more debuffs than just Fire Vulnerability and Winter's Chill (and we should probably add Focus Magic for Arcane Magi) and become something useful for more classes. Then other addons can be made to use the library so we have more options as far as display. For instance, I use Pitbull and I can easily write up a DogTag to track Fire Vulnerability but the downside (and the reason I use Scorchio) is it won't track the time left if I wasn't the first to apply the debuff and if it were to support a library that can track this by parsing the combat log or syncing with others that problem is solved. I only play a mage so I can't think of other debuffs to track besides the three already mentioned but I'm sure at least a few other classes would like to track something (lock curses maybe?).
It's not something I'd considered, to be honest. With the current architecture, it would be impossible - it's a mess, and inconsistent: for instance, the Rescorch warning timer is handled by Scorchio!, but the Fire Vulnerability Expired timer is handled by the bars library!
That said - I'm not sure about the utility of breaking things down to a library - without the warnings and bars, tracking the debuffs is pretty much reproducing the functionality of something like EBB (or, at least, a subset of its functionality), and while it might be cool to be able to pull the Fire Vulnerability status of a mob out of DogTags and display it in PitBull, or CowTip - is that actually particularly useful without the warnings that scorch is about to fade? Do you get anything that you couldn't get from keeping one eye on the mobs debuffs anyhow?
That said, I have been thinking whether Scorchio! should be expanded to track all these "stackable" debuffs, across classes as, with the new architecture I'm considering, it's merely a line of extra code (plus configuration code) per debuff. I think, for instance, druids have a similar "bleed" type debuff and warlocks have something too, but I think if that happens, it will remain a part of Scorchio!, merely expanding the potential users for the addon outside of the mage community...
(And yes, Focus Magic will be tracked too - supporting mages first-and-foremost is the raison d'etre of Scorchio!)
Don't worry! The Blacklist has always been overly complicated (particularly when I first released the addon, and it functioned the opposite way, like a Whitelist!)
I'm thinking of completely removing it in the WotLK version - unless I'm missing something, I can't see that it's needed any more, now that I can get the scorch debuff status directly from the mob, so if a non-Imp Scorch mage scorches a mob, it just won't count and I don't need to actively ignore it, I think.
What do people think?
That blacklist really needs to be changed and/or taken out. As it is now, on a new install with no saved variables, it automatically blacklists your own character (with a full 3/3 Imp Scorch).
Just tried this recently and was wondering what was happening--before coming to this thread. SpellReminder put up the proper Imp Scorch debuff bars for the target, but Scorchio did not. Deleted the saved variables, restarted, same deal. Test bars worked, but no sounds, no scrolling text alerts and no bars in combat.
Took myself out of the blacklist and things work. It really should not be auto-blacklisting your own character. If that's required for some reason, take the feature out.
That blacklist really needs to be changed and/or taken out. As it is now, on a new install with no saved variables, it automatically blacklists your own character (with a full 3/3 Imp Scorch).
That seems to be the fault of the GetTalentInfo() function, which seems to return "nil" (the wrong result) if called too early in the start-up process. Of course, Scorchio! calls it reasonably early to check whether the player has the right talents. I may just released a quick patch which hard codes that to "yes" - anyone who's currently running Scorchio! without have Imp Scorch can deal! (It won't affect the results any...)
And yes, the BlackList will be gone entirely from the next version, I think. I see no reason for it now.
Edit: OK, I've committed 0.80.3, which forces the player to be FALSE in the blacklist, no matter what.
I just tried this mod and I am trying to figure out what is going on with the warning.
It's sort of random and I can't find out how to reproduce it but here is what's happening...
I am solo attacking Dr. Boom in Netherstorm and I put 5 scorches up. I stop attacking and I get the warning sound and text to redo scorch at xx seconds. I go ahead and redo scorch and wait for the next warning time. However, the time passes without redoing the warning to redo scorch. The odd part about this is that sometimes it works and others it doesn't. The notice that scorch has expired always seems to work.
I just tried this mod and I am trying to figure out what is going on with the warning.
It's sort of random and I can't find out how to reproduce it but here is what's happening...
I am solo attacking Dr. Boom in Netherstorm and I put 5 scorches up. I stop attacking and I get the warning sound and text to redo scorch at xx seconds. I go ahead and redo scorch and wait for the next warning time. However, the time passes without redoing the warning to redo scorch. The odd part about this is that sometimes it works and others it doesn't. The notice that scorch has expired always seems to work.
Yes, I'm getting this irregular warning reporting too. The redo-the-Scorch warnings are not something that can't be depended upon now, unfortunately.
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Tested on three different occasions in a 5-man party in Heroic instances. Have the text warning set to output to MSBT (I'm using v5.2.14 of that) in various locations (Static, Notification) both Sticky and not. Also have the sound warning active (tried 3 different sound choices it has). The alert timer was originally set to 6 seconds, then changed it to 10 seconds, finally 15.
The sounds and/or text alert very rarely happened. Most of the time, the timer bar passed the trigger time and no warnings appeared. Doesn't seem to be connected to any special event; whether they appeared or not when scheduled seemed completely random.
The timer bars themselves had no issue at all, only the warnings had big problems. Hope you can fix it.
I'm not 100% sure what's causing that for you guys at the moment. I've been pretty busy with IRL recently, and inbetween times working on the new version of Scorchio! but I'll try and pin down why the older version isn't reporting correctly in some circumstances... Hopefully I can find an easy fix.
OK - I think I've fixed this in the latest commit. The situation arose when more than 5 scorches were put on the mob (ie: the scorch stack was replenished).
Can you grab the latest commit when it makes it through packaging and let me know if it fixes the Rescorch Warning issues for you?
Apparently 3.0 is making Scorchio obsolete since we'll be able to see the debuff times for (de)buffs we didn't even apply. I know this is true on the Beta as I can target horde and see how long they have on their buffs and debuffs. Can anyone test to see if this is true on the PTR?
Scorchio! is an Ace2 scorch debuff manager for fire mages with 3/3 Improved Scorch.
Features include:
* Moveable, scaleable, etcerable multiple candy bars for tracking the debuff on multiple mobs
* In group/raid syncing (optional - why be notified when a mage at the other end of AV scorches up something?)
* Combat log parsing so not all mages in the group need the add-on for your numbers to be accurate
* Blacklist mages without Imp Scorch so their casts don't confuse your numbers
* Fade warning and expiration messages sent via Sink-1.0 to your favourite output
* Indication when someone else is scorching a particular mob
21/08/07:
Scorchio! can be now downloaded from files.wowace.com or accessed through the WowAce SVN server.
Heh, thanks Xinhuan! That's actually the URL I meant to post - not the project URL! I've edited the first post and my previous one to save confusion...
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Just having one problem though. When I refresh the debuff, it works fine. When the other mage refreshes, it works fine. As long as I start the buff.
But if he starts it, then it doesn't refresh when I try to refresh it, only when he refreshes.
Sorry if this has been answered or is not understandable. I read through the thread and didn't see anything about it. :( Sorry.
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Curse PremiumI'm thinking of completely removing it in the WotLK version - unless I'm missing something, I can't see that it's needed any more, now that I can get the scorch debuff status directly from the mob, so if a non-Imp Scorch mage scorches a mob, it just won't count and I don't need to actively ignore it, I think.
Similarly, I don't think there's a need for the sync'ing code either, for the same reason. I'd like to restore the casting indication functionality, which requires that the add-ons talk to each other, but I don't think I need to actually exchange scorch information to keep track of the stack.
The only downside of dropping the sync'ing code is that you won't see scorches from the other side of AV - only those within combatlog range, which was massively extended in 2.4.
What do people think?
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Curse PremiumSo, another question - along with Winter's Chill, is there anything else mages would appreciate being tracked by Scorchio! in the next version?
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Curse PremiumThat said - I'm not sure about the utility of breaking things down to a library - without the warnings and bars, tracking the debuffs is pretty much reproducing the functionality of something like EBB (or, at least, a subset of its functionality), and while it might be cool to be able to pull the Fire Vulnerability status of a mob out of DogTags and display it in PitBull, or CowTip - is that actually particularly useful without the warnings that scorch is about to fade? Do you get anything that you couldn't get from keeping one eye on the mobs debuffs anyhow?
That said, I have been thinking whether Scorchio! should be expanded to track all these "stackable" debuffs, across classes as, with the new architecture I'm considering, it's merely a line of extra code (plus configuration code) per debuff. I think, for instance, druids have a similar "bleed" type debuff and warlocks have something too, but I think if that happens, it will remain a part of Scorchio!, merely expanding the potential users for the addon outside of the mage community...
(And yes, Focus Magic will be tracked too - supporting mages first-and-foremost is the raison d'etre of Scorchio!)
That blacklist really needs to be changed and/or taken out. As it is now, on a new install with no saved variables, it automatically blacklists your own character (with a full 3/3 Imp Scorch).
Just tried this recently and was wondering what was happening--before coming to this thread. SpellReminder put up the proper Imp Scorch debuff bars for the target, but Scorchio did not. Deleted the saved variables, restarted, same deal. Test bars worked, but no sounds, no scrolling text alerts and no bars in combat.
Took myself out of the blacklist and things work. It really should not be auto-blacklisting your own character. If that's required for some reason, take the feature out.
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Curse PremiumThat seems to be the fault of the GetTalentInfo() function, which seems to return "nil" (the wrong result) if called too early in the start-up process. Of course, Scorchio! calls it reasonably early to check whether the player has the right talents. I may just released a quick patch which hard codes that to "yes" - anyone who's currently running Scorchio! without have Imp Scorch can deal! (It won't affect the results any...)
And yes, the BlackList will be gone entirely from the next version, I think. I see no reason for it now.
Edit: OK, I've committed 0.80.3, which forces the player to be FALSE in the blacklist, no matter what.
It's sort of random and I can't find out how to reproduce it but here is what's happening...
I am solo attacking Dr. Boom in Netherstorm and I put 5 scorches up. I stop attacking and I get the warning sound and text to redo scorch at xx seconds. I go ahead and redo scorch and wait for the next warning time. However, the time passes without redoing the warning to redo scorch. The odd part about this is that sometimes it works and others it doesn't. The notice that scorch has expired always seems to work.
Any ideas to what's causing this?
Yes, I'm getting this irregular warning reporting too. The redo-the-Scorch warnings are not something that can't be depended upon now, unfortunately.
r80848, USEng client/server, WoW 2.4.3 live. Sink-1.0 is r79983 & embedded (upgrade to using Sink-2.0?).
Tested on three different occasions in a 5-man party in Heroic instances. Have the text warning set to output to MSBT (I'm using v5.2.14 of that) in various locations (Static, Notification) both Sticky and not. Also have the sound warning active (tried 3 different sound choices it has). The alert timer was originally set to 6 seconds, then changed it to 10 seconds, finally 15.
The sounds and/or text alert very rarely happened. Most of the time, the timer bar passed the trigger time and no warnings appeared. Doesn't seem to be connected to any special event; whether they appeared or not when scheduled seemed completely random.
The timer bars themselves had no issue at all, only the warnings had big problems. Hope you can fix it.
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Curse PremiumI'm not 100% sure what's causing that for you guys at the moment. I've been pretty busy with IRL recently, and inbetween times working on the new version of Scorchio! but I'll try and pin down why the older version isn't reporting correctly in some circumstances... Hopefully I can find an easy fix.
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Curse PremiumPlease got to http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15003
Scorchio! is an Ace2 scorch debuff manager for fire mages with 3/3 Improved Scorch.
Features include:
* Moveable, scaleable, etcerable multiple candy bars for tracking the debuff on multiple mobs
* In group/raid syncing (optional - why be notified when a mage at the other end of AV scorches up something?)
* Combat log parsing so not all mages in the group need the add-on for your numbers to be accurate
* Blacklist mages without Imp Scorch so their casts don't confuse your numbers
* Fade warning and expiration messages sent via Sink-1.0 to your favourite output
* Indication when someone else is scorching a particular mob
21/08/07:
Scorchio! can be now downloaded from files.wowace.com or accessed through the WowAce SVN server.
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Curse Premiumhttp://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15003
Please use it instead for discussion instead of this one.
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