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I was a little surprised to hear about FuBarAce and CartoAce on the svn... There had already been links to download the old versions scattered throughout the forums. However, there have been some updates to them, and in order to have those updates available to all that wished to continue using the old versions, it was forked on the svn.

But I agree with the branding argument. For the past, what?... 2-3 months we've been trying to educate users that a well-written mod is a well-written mod whether it uses Ace2, Dongle, Jack, Bubblegum, *whatever* framework. And that the Ace2 tag should be removed from the TOC's name entry, so that it doesn't show up that way on the addon selection screen. For the past... however long, we've been trying to get rid of this Ace2 elitist stereotype that some users have put on this community. For the past 1-2 years, authors have been discouraged at putting the word Ace into the names of their addons, even to the point of making them rename their folders on the svn.

I have nothing against those that wish to stick with Cartographer-1.0 and FuBar-2.0 since they are stable. I was one of the people offering up download links for the old versions. ck himself tagged them as Cartographer 1.0 and FuBar 2.0. The folders were renamed to be added to the trunk, they should have been renamed correctly.

It's not too late. Only a handful of users know that they exist anyway.

I'd like to point out, that CKK doesn't want to consider a 'developer community'. He's clearly stated time and again, that his addons are written by him, for himself. Rock was developed for him to build his addons on. He also has said that he won't be writing any agnostic libs because it doesn't affect his addons or framework if he makes them framework specific so therefore he won't expend the energy to make them agnostic.

And that's his prerogative. I may not agree with his philosophy, but, as someone better has said before, I heartily defend his right to do so.

Call it FuBarD and use Dongle!

It's not always about branding. I prefer the older version of FuBar because of the configuration, plain and simple. I was pleased to have that option again. However, I don't care one way or the other which Cartographer version I'm using, since I seldom change anything. As long as it works, I'm happy.

Erm. No.

Just plain no.

For the whole time of Ace being a name, I have to say, -you- appear the most adamant and firey about this naming issue. Yes, we have suggested we don't use Ace in names, mostly from Tem, who did not like that scheme... but we have never belittled, claimed foul or been quite as ... flat out sarcastically insulting as you.

Please don't. I honestly don't see the name changing, I don't see it "harming" the Ace community.

So please step down off your soapbox. It's not that huge an issue. An issue you seemed to have redirected to blow out of proportion. Yes, there was a reason for the rename, yes there was a reason for the fork (which was your original complaint, -nothing- to do with the name itself).

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I'd like to point out, that CKK doesn't want to consider a 'developer community'. He's clearly stated time and again, that his addons are written by him, for himself. Rock was developed for him to build his addons on. He also has said that he won't be writing any agnostic libs because it doesn't affect his addons or framework if he makes them framework specific so therefore he won't expend the energy to make them agnostic.

And that's his prerogative. I may not agree with his philosophy, but, as someone better has said before, I heartily defend his right to do so.

I don't remember stating that. My addons are written by me, but it's for everyone else to use. Rock was made not just for my use, but for the use of other authors as well, otherwise, why would I have bothered to document it?

Overall, I disagree with the FuBarAce project (and other forked projects of mine) and find it largely hypocritical since I've been promised a utopia where people didn't care about what framework an addon uses, but it seems as though the very people who wanted that go against the thought for their own political gain.

Part of a framework utopia is not caring what frameworks people use for forks of your own stuff :P

So, how about FuBar-2.1 and FuBar-3.0? The only other logical thing I can think of is FuBar-2.0-Mikma or something like that.