coulda woulda shoulda.. I am really losing patience with this "change for the better" and really want things back they way they were.. if it aint broke don't fix it.. was WAU broke? Not for me as it did the job i needed it to do.. is CC broke? I would say yes..
WAU was broken only because the way the repositories were setup was broken. If a library or translation was updated, every single addon that used them was re-packaged as being updated. This caused needless re-downloading of addons which themselves were not modified, and tremendously spiked the bandwidth bill of the WoWAce server.
The whole changeover to the current system was of utmost importance. The only thing that _should_ have been done differently is allowing WAU and other clients to continue working as they had done before under the new system under-the-hood while the Curse Client was undergoing extensive beta-testing to get to maturity.
It seems everyone is (rightly, IMHO) screaming "OMFG! U BROKE MY UPDATER! PLZ FIX NAU!" and ignoring the underlying changes and the reasons for them.
Once the client is working the way it should have been before we were cut off from the old one, you'll more than likely find yourself downloading updates less and less unless you specifically state that you WANT your addons to be broken on occasion because they're not production-quality.
I think a huge issue is really that the CurseClient tries to be for updaters what Vista is for operating systems: Do it all automatic, user installs the program, it autostarts, autoscans, autoupdates, works.
But therein lies as much issues as gains, as nearly everyone using updaters is used to the way WAU or jWU or WUU work. And they like it. Open them, open a list, click the addons you want to install, select embedded/disembedded, get'em, all done. Close the program.
Some extras like cleaning SVs or backups is optional, point is that the program works like the user expects it too. It doesn't try to be some automatic thing expecting it's user to be 90% clueless about how to run the whole place.
IMO this reflects how things are at the present time.
Why filter it?
I got faith they see the overall picture quite clear.
Even if i see it in a bad light, i believe it to be unethical and wrong to start in on why it is bad. For a trio of people to be holding this project is asinine. But we are here, it is what we have, and quite frankly if they have the balls to keep a hold of it then they prolly have the wits to figure it out.
I have faith too in the people writing the client, some of the rest of you should get some too.
I, for one, am quite happy with the client, especially the auto-update feature, which means i no longer have to open WAU (which i love) and reload index blah blah. The fact that it installs CurseProfiler doesn't fase me, except that it won't yet upload my character profiles as it is still being worked on (BTW any eta on when we can view our toons on the curse website?)
There only a couple little things i could ask for with the client, which i am sure are being worked on, which are as follows:
1) Options to update/install addons WITHOUT externals (while i know it is not necessary, it is a feature that i liked with WAU)
2) Option is auto download dependancies (e.g libs that are required by an addon)
4)Option to see a full change log after and update has been perfromed (similar to how WAU does it, one complete list for all addons installed/updated)
5) A "new additions" tab which will show new (not updated) addons as i regulary check out new stuff (this one is more of a wish, I don't mind looking at the website for new stuff, just on my lazy days it would be nice lol)
Other than that and the odd addon which i either don't have installed or a missmatch from the client, i am happy with it, and i would like to say a big thanx to all those involved in this project for there hardwork and for putting up with all the b!tching and complaining (yes some of it from myself) that has been going on. Your work appreciated
I'm drinking my first cup of coffee, so I may be a little in coherent..but here goes.
If your not paying for a updater or the mods, why are you complaining?I don't really know who all is back there working on this except Kaelton, but it appears that he is working his ass off trying to get it working right....for what, to hear people complain how much it 'isn't' working??I really doubt that he is getting paid to do this.From the bits and pieces I have read over the time I've been here Kaelton has done a massive amount of work....but I never have seen him go ballistic on anyone....so far he has answered questions cordially here.....and frankly I can't say some has shown him that kind of respect in return. I too am upset, I don't like change...but also I know I'm not paying for this .....nor the mods being released.
All I'm saying is I think they deserve a little more from the community here,Kaelton is not our enemy....he is just trying to make an improvement.I truly believe that his intentions are pure, and that the Curse Client ( when the kinks are worked out) will be a smoother running machine than the WoWAce updater.And yes, I too, feel a little panicky....but maybe we could all use this time to push back from the pc and get a little fresh air and sunshine before WotLK is here :) .
At first I hated the idea of the wowace/curse merge, but Im ok with it now.
I think the thing that most people dont realise is that without curse, wowace would probably have been shut down a while back due to the costs.
Looking forward to the new beta client and hope it brings any good changes. At the moment for me it seems to be doing its job, and I have had no addon problems for a week now. Sure, there are a few addons I use that it cant find such as lightheaded. And if you use mobmap you are better off using its own updater to get the most current version/database.
Valid opinion atm imho... although you are right that his contribution lacked the means to identify a possible bug (be it CC or user based ;)
Some points I dislike atm:
1. No option to download without externals (yeah, yeah, it's been worked on, but it should have been ready as soon as the only other possibility to do so stopped working)
2. Addons get "updated" to medieval versions (may be a bug, but should not occure if you shut out alternatives)
3. Curse Profiler Addon is installed without user permission (wtf? that's just like Apples iTunes when you install QuickTime or IE in Windows. Even with those stupid browser toolbars you can uncheck them in the installation process. I as a user don't want it, so make it optional especially if you consider to let me pay money for a part of the updater's features)
4. Overview shows old/new dates instead of versions
(tbh I don't care when those addons where uploaded, but which version they are, others may want dates, so either add both or make columns optional)
5. It's an updater, why would I want news in it? Tbh I don't think the majority of the updater's users is interested in Curse at all, I understand that it is Curse's goal to add the wowace users to their member base, but tbh their portal is the ugliest and most userunfriendly game portal I know. It should be the user's choice if he wants the news or not.
6. Why does it only have a stupid menu bar to configure? As soon as there are more options (like disembedding somewhen...) it will get more and more confusing.
For a step forward this updater is a bit sloppy imho,
even WAU had more features and I would want an ancestor to have at least comparable features and not only the most basic ones.
There were already way better updaters when WAU was still developed,
WUU can handle a lot of different addon pages,
JWU was very userfriendly, yet pretty customisable,
wowmatrix is pro in adding the addon author's work to their site, :rolleyes:
netherpanel was pretty stylish and had a nice dependecy overview.
CC has like no features right now besides plain updating...
I donated for JWU, but tbh I don't even consider paying for premium membership right now, maybe I'll even switch to addons from different pages or finally start writing my own ;)
Atm the latest release version of FuBar_GuildFu is dated 2007-03-05. I would like to install the latest beta instead dated recently, but using CC it will only install the release version. Is the CC not supposed to be able to download betas? If so, is this a bug or a yet un-implemented feature?