I wonder, though. Interface addons don't ever use executables. The few things that might, like the WoWAceUpdater, well, you could put them through extra scrutiny.
I just wonder why so many people still click the exes. I could download an addon from any page, because the only thing I do is unzip it and copy it into my addons folder. Even if there was an exe in the zip nothing would happen.
But I guess that's the problem with the internet... Too many idiots.
But I guess that's the problem with the internet... Too many idiots.
This is true :D . And I have taken the site's side before because there have been a couple of false positives and people just libelling them at the first chance. But it's a joint responsibility, both the site and the users have to take responsibility.
Tunga I am glad to see you around these parts. I am Xinh although you haven't seen my name on WoWUI in a long time due my misgivings with that site. They still haven't learned. I was suprised to read that WoWUI does not have a dedicated UI moderator. It would seem they don't have an Admin that is not on EU time either.
Yep, they just never replaced me and have failed to give any reason for why the forum suddenly doesn't need a mod (it very obviously does). There are a couple of obvious choices including Lothaer who is already a mod on the UI site and reads the UI forum lots but I guess 30sec in the Admin CP is a lot of effort.
I just wonder why so many people still click the exes. I could download an addon from any page, because the only thing I do is unzip it and copy it into my addons folder. Even if there was an exe in the zip nothing would happen.
But I guess that's the problem with the internet... Too many idiots.
I had a lapse in judgement a year ago in which I allowed an executable from that site masquerading as FishingBuddy to run. Between seeing funny characters in the self-extractor (probably Chinese but rendered incorrectly due to missing fonts) and having my WTF folder deleted on every login, I knew what was up pretty quickly and was able to avoid getting hacked. I helped to track down and figure out how to manually remove the trojan on the WoW forums; there's a great post near the end of the thread that's relevant: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366704160&postId=40043336070&sid=1#110
A few people may be aware of the fact that I moderated the UI forum on Worldofwar for some time. I got de-modded a while back for moaning at their Admins over a few issues and not agreeing with them in public, I could see their point and couldn't complain to be honest. Now I still post there because I know some of the community but the admins there are so frustrating. This whole virus thing doesn't surprise me at all, I've been telling them for months that the UI forum needs a dedicated moderator and that person should have UI site moderator permissions as well. I saw that thread about 30mins after it was posted and could have sorted it instantly but we had to wait for an admin to come online and even then it seemed to take hours to actually get sorted. How hard can it be to delete a mod or at least suspend it while you check it out?
It's just another issue in the list of ways that Worldofwar doesn't seem to give a damn about any of its users. Their updater was removed months ago when it turned out an author had stolen some of the code from somewhere else. Their site has a whole bunch of sessions issues that are absolutely not machine or browser specific and yet they "can't repoduce them". They ban links to Wowhead "because it's run by goldsellers" when the reason is obviously because they want people to use the utterly pathetic and outdated Wowdigger. And the UI forum is a complete mess with posts in the wrong forums and no moderator despite being close to the most read forum on there, and it has stickies made by an ex-moderator (me) which haven't been updated for months.
I really can't undestand the philosphy or attitude of the people who run that site. I post for the sake of the community which I clearly care a lot more about than they do. I'm not the only long-term user who feels that way and really we should just leave and see how dead the forums are then.
What sucks is when sites like Wowace get dragged into this. But considering Worldofwar's lack of interest in its own reputation I can't say I really expect them to care about anyone elses. Still it's a shame and I'm sorry to be associated with it even if my name there is no longer green.
3-4 years ago, I also worked at worldofwar.net as the Mage class sub-site webmaster (my sheep icon avatar is a reminder from those days), and thus was the Mage Class forums moderator there as well for about a year. In addition to this I also helped out with the strategy guides section and also the main worldofwar.net pages, help guides and many others, with root FTP access. I even had the opportunity to see wowdigger being developed but opted not to be a part of it.
What was painfully obvious after a year or so, was the fact that they do not have any real policy/guidelines/things that moderators/admins/helpers have to follow. It was more of a "you do what you want" policy as long as the site continued to run smoothly, common sense was applied, you didn't overstep your bounds, and of course you didn't disrepect Rush/Elly in any manner. They have known temperaments to ban easily.
I left worldofwar.net about 1 month after the wowui sub-site was launched. If you think about it, Rush and Elly initially just started out with the Diablo site which I frequented with well over 4000 posts. Expanding into War3, SC2, SC:Ghost, WoW, Guild Wars, and then Hellgate London, Mythos and now even AoC, it is much obvious that the pair of them doesn't have much time to devote to any particular game in detail and just relied on willing helpers for the most part. People like you and me.
To me, what I see worldofwar.net, or the now renamed wow.incgamers, is just a small subset of their entire network, and wowui is just one of the many sub-sites of their main wow site (just like how wowdigger, wow strategies and their wowui wikis and stuff are subsites).
Although Curse and Wowi have also expanded into other games such as WAR and AoC, those sites have not diluted their attention on WoW at all. Now wow.incgamers just posts any sort of news that might be remotely related to wow in any way (such as links to blogs or rumours about wow), in an effort just to have news to post. It is diluted, a fragment of its former quality, and tries to do too much with flash, javascript and whatnot on its front page. Come on, is there really a need for "most 3 tagged, last 10 commented on, last 10 blogs, last 10 uploaded screenshots, last 10 updated characters on wowdigger, links to last few forum posts/blue posts" etc?
That is my feel of the whole situation, and I've never really looked back at worldofwar.net ever since I left it. Now I only maintain 2 addons out of over 10 or so on wowui since they were there to begin with when I first started writing addons, and I do not want to inconvenience my users by pulling them out.
The minute wowui began removing links to my issue tracker, I left. I don't take kindly to people changing my posts when I am NOT linking to anything harmful to anyone and ignoring inquiries into why. plugging your ears and pretending the rest of the internet doesn't exist won't convince your users to stay on your sites. Especially if you do it to the people that are providing the content that drives your site... and they're giving it to you for FREE.
The minute wowui began removing links to my issue tracker, I left. I don't take kindly to people changing my posts when I am NOT linking to anything harmful to anyone and ignoring inquiries into why. plugging your ears and pretending the rest of the internet doesn't exist won't convince your users to stay on your sites. Especially if you do it to the people that are providing the content that drives your site... and they're giving it to you for FREE.
:P You know it's true though! It reminds me of a certain bear site that blocks any PM that links an external site or email address, reads PM and bans users that badmouth the site in any way, removes emails from profiles, and flat our refuses to allow people who are "not a bear" to post a profile. Well, that and the site hasn't had any upgrades or redesigns since the early 90's...
Well said, agreed, I'm not sure why I still post there as much as I do, I guess I feel for the few members of decent community left.
So I just looked at your signiture and realised I run all those mods so I'll take this unrelated chance to thank you for that lot!
I don't take kindly to people changing my posts when I am NOT linking to anything harmful to anyone and ignoring inquiries into why.
Well this is from the site that bans Wowhead because "it's run by gold sellers", and let like to rave about how they themselves are an official Blizzard partner and that means they can be truste. Even though Wowhead is too. Go figure.
Well this is from the site that bans Wowhead because "it's run by gold sellers", and let like to rave about how they themselves are an official Blizzard partner and that means they can be truste. Even though Wowhead is too. Go figure.
That was really starting to annoy before my departure from that site. At that time, I was pretty exclusive to WoWUI with regards to forum posts and such. Most of my mods used to come from there before I discovered WoWAce/WoWI as well. However as time went on the management's "touchy nature" (kind of like old dynamite) and liberal use of the Banhammer and Post Edit buttons really started grating on me. The final straw was WoWUI's unauthorized "mirroring" of WoWAce's SVN and the rather nasty attitude the Incgamer's management to toward the furor that generated. I left that day, yanked my uploads from that site and have since become a fixture on the site they liked to bash so much, WoWInterface.
WoWUI (and worldofwar.net) is pretty much a shadow of its former self. Sure they are still hanging on, however I don't see much in the way of new mod uploads or even exclusive content. If anything WoWInterface and Curse boast much more "exclusive" content when it comes to WoW AddOns, and both WoWHead (whose plugin lives in my Firefox search box) and WoWDB blow the doors off of WoWDigger when it comes to database content. So really, users really don't have much of a reason to visit WoWUI. Too bad, they were a decent once upon a time.
We already know they don't like chineese gold farmers over there. Your nick starts with an 'X'. Good ol' homegrown americans don't have names that start with 'X'. It sounds oriental, so you must be a farmer. You're probably the one uploading keyloggers for that matter.
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I just wonder why so many people still click the exes. I could download an addon from any page, because the only thing I do is unzip it and copy it into my addons folder. Even if there was an exe in the zip nothing would happen.
But I guess that's the problem with the internet... Too many idiots.
/agreed. The average user these days, "Ooo shiny button, must click it!".
Yep, they just never replaced me and have failed to give any reason for why the forum suddenly doesn't need a mod (it very obviously does). There are a couple of obvious choices including Lothaer who is already a mod on the UI site and reads the UI forum lots but I guess 30sec in the Admin CP is a lot of effort.
I had a lapse in judgement a year ago in which I allowed an executable from that site masquerading as FishingBuddy to run. Between seeing funny characters in the self-extractor (probably Chinese but rendered incorrectly due to missing fonts) and having my WTF folder deleted on every login, I knew what was up pretty quickly and was able to avoid getting hacked. I helped to track down and figure out how to manually remove the trojan on the WoW forums; there's a great post near the end of the thread that's relevant: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366704160&postId=40043336070&sid=1#110
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Curse Premium3-4 years ago, I also worked at worldofwar.net as the Mage class sub-site webmaster (my sheep icon avatar is a reminder from those days), and thus was the Mage Class forums moderator there as well for about a year. In addition to this I also helped out with the strategy guides section and also the main worldofwar.net pages, help guides and many others, with root FTP access. I even had the opportunity to see wowdigger being developed but opted not to be a part of it.
What was painfully obvious after a year or so, was the fact that they do not have any real policy/guidelines/things that moderators/admins/helpers have to follow. It was more of a "you do what you want" policy as long as the site continued to run smoothly, common sense was applied, you didn't overstep your bounds, and of course you didn't disrepect Rush/Elly in any manner. They have known temperaments to ban easily.
I left worldofwar.net about 1 month after the wowui sub-site was launched. If you think about it, Rush and Elly initially just started out with the Diablo site which I frequented with well over 4000 posts. Expanding into War3, SC2, SC:Ghost, WoW, Guild Wars, and then Hellgate London, Mythos and now even AoC, it is much obvious that the pair of them doesn't have much time to devote to any particular game in detail and just relied on willing helpers for the most part. People like you and me.
To me, what I see worldofwar.net, or the now renamed wow.incgamers, is just a small subset of their entire network, and wowui is just one of the many sub-sites of their main wow site (just like how wowdigger, wow strategies and their wowui wikis and stuff are subsites).
Although Curse and Wowi have also expanded into other games such as WAR and AoC, those sites have not diluted their attention on WoW at all. Now wow.incgamers just posts any sort of news that might be remotely related to wow in any way (such as links to blogs or rumours about wow), in an effort just to have news to post. It is diluted, a fragment of its former quality, and tries to do too much with flash, javascript and whatnot on its front page. Come on, is there really a need for "most 3 tagged, last 10 commented on, last 10 blogs, last 10 uploaded screenshots, last 10 updated characters on wowdigger, links to last few forum posts/blue posts" etc?
That is my feel of the whole situation, and I've never really looked back at worldofwar.net ever since I left it. Now I only maintain 2 addons out of over 10 or so on wowui since they were there to begin with when I first started writing addons, and I do not want to inconvenience my users by pulling them out.
damn you're a whiny bitch, don't make me ban you.
So I just looked at your signiture and realised I run all those mods so I'll take this unrelated chance to thank you for that lot!
Well this is from the site that bans Wowhead because "it's run by gold sellers", and let like to rave about how they themselves are an official Blizzard partner and that means they can be truste. Even though Wowhead is too. Go figure.
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Forum ModeratorThat was really starting to annoy before my departure from that site. At that time, I was pretty exclusive to WoWUI with regards to forum posts and such. Most of my mods used to come from there before I discovered WoWAce/WoWI as well. However as time went on the management's "touchy nature" (kind of like old dynamite) and liberal use of the Banhammer and Post Edit buttons really started grating on me. The final straw was WoWUI's unauthorized "mirroring" of WoWAce's SVN and the rather nasty attitude the Incgamer's management to toward the furor that generated. I left that day, yanked my uploads from that site and have since become a fixture on the site they liked to bash so much, WoWInterface.
WoWUI (and worldofwar.net) is pretty much a shadow of its former self. Sure they are still hanging on, however I don't see much in the way of new mod uploads or even exclusive content. If anything WoWInterface and Curse boast much more "exclusive" content when it comes to WoW AddOns, and both WoWHead (whose plugin lives in my Firefox search box) and WoWDB blow the doors off of WoWDigger when it comes to database content. So really, users really don't have much of a reason to visit WoWUI. Too bad, they were a decent once upon a time.
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Really? I normally blame you. Hrm....
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Curse PremiumI guess she didn't like my post.