Somehow, I think I will remember this when I go to work for the first time tomorrow. Tech support for my ISP. I have a vague feeling I'll be headbanging by noon.
I was always fond of the fetal position in the curb beside my car.
Tekkub is more like a grouchy old hermit that makes cool sculptures out of scrap metal.
Husband says this is spot on. I say fuck that metal is sharp. Oh and my dad is the same hermit, and makes cool shit out of everything... he makes pottery, paints, builds houses, he's one hell of a stonemason, photographer, gardener... and I got a whopping NONE of his aesthetic talents.
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Originally Posted by MoonWitch Somehow, I think I will remember this when I go to work for the first time tomorrow. Tech support for my ISP. I have a vague feeling I'll be headbanging by noon.
I was always fond of the fetal position in the curb beside my car.
Or just be very random. I wandered to another floor at work to visit with a good friend after I got tired of staring at my own stuff (data mapping) for a bit. She proceeded to tell her client:
'My friend <insert name here> says hi. She's actually my roommate, except we live in different apartments. She's my sister with a different mother too. Oh, she moved here from El Paso...'
I decided that was my cue to leave before the next sentence was 'ok, let me put you on speakerphone and you can talk to her too.'
There are very good bandwidth providers that charge you based upon sustained usage rather then GB or TB transferred. You can get colocation services at many ISPs for as low as $49/mbit per month. I'm not sure what you were being charged, but I would have paid $15/year to keep WAU. I hate the curse client. I hate the curse website. At least the wowace site was clean and I exclusively used ACE addons only.
A good mod is a good mod, no matter who writes it or what framework it uses. Shitty mods are shitty no matter who wrote it or what framework it uses. An author makes an addon worth using, not a framework.
in short...
Good coders write good mods, shitty coders write shitty mods. The Ace framework has had its fair share of shitty mods.
Good coders write good mods, shitty coders write shitty mods. The Ace framework has had its fair share of shitty mods.
Sometimes this was due to using the framework without a proper understanding, or using it JUST to use it (make it Ace!) - turning a 30-line addon into a monster :)
There are very good bandwidth providers that charge you based upon sustained usage rather then GB or TB transferred. You can get colocation services at many ISPs for as low as $49/mbit per month. I'm not sure what you were being charged, but I would have paid $15/year to keep WAU. I hate the curse client. I hate the curse website. At least the wowace site was clean and I exclusively used ACE addons only.
www.curse.com <- that a way. This is not an addon distribution site.
You are an example of a person in that other group that doesn't really belong here. You only used WowAce because of the updater. You switched to only using Ace mods because of the updater. You think because its "Ace'd" its better probably. And you obviously have not participated in the community at all because if you had then you would know that we hate people calling it "ACE".
And let this be a warning to anybody else that used WowAce as a distribution site and comes here to complain. Prepare to be flamed.
wowace wasn't just a distribution site, it was a pioneer in distribution. That's why it ended up so popular. WAU accomplished what several other sites attempted before and have attempted since, and failed. files.wowace.com was a true masterpiece of simplicity, a place to go, get an addon, and get going with no nonsense. The devs here didn't just develop addons, but an infrastructure surrounding the development, testing, and distribution of addons. That's the truth of it. wowace became a one stop shop for addon use, and now people just expect things to stay that way. This goes double for the "power user," the person who knows enough to get dirty when they need to and truly appreciates not having to deal with the hand holding and mind numbing of a traditional front end.
Personally, rather than hating the users, you all should be proud of yourselves. All this hostility is uncalled for and unnecessary and truly disappointing. Let the people complain, and either in a week or two they'll be singing praises, or they'll wander off to another community to harass them instead. Handing out flames just encourages trolls to show up and makes you look bad :(.
wowace wasn't just a distribution site, it was a pioneer in distribution. That's why it ended up so popular. WAU accomplished what several other sites attempted before and have attempted since, and failed. files.wowace.com was a true masterpiece of simplicity, a place to go, get an addon, and get going with no nonsense. The devs here didn't just develop addons, but an infrastructure surrounding the development, testing, and distribution of addons. That's the truth of it. wowace became a one stop shop for addon use, and now people just expect things to stay that way. This goes double for the "power user," the person who knows enough to get dirty when they need to and truly appreciates not having to deal with the hand holding and mind numbing of a traditional front end.
Personally, rather than hating the users, you all should be proud of yourselves. All this hostility is uncalled for and unnecessary and truly disappointing. Let the people complain, and either in a week or two they'll be singing praises, or they'll wander off to another community to harass them instead. Handing out flames just encourages trolls to show up and makes you look bad :(.
You still don't get it, do you ? It's right there on the initial post.
"In all honesty, that second group of users never belonged on wowace in the first place. It was never ever meant as a release site, and wasn't built that way. WAU made users and authors lazy - authors stopped "releasing" their addons to release sites because it was too easy to just leave it on WAU, and users didn't want to look anywhere else because it was too easy to click one button to update."
Crystal now ? I don't think that anyone from the older members cares if they "look bad" or not when it comes to this. They are just sick of it, and setting the record straight.
He's getting it fine, just offering a different perspective on the same facts.
Sometimes what you make is not what you intended to make, that's all FlareCDE is saying.
He's getting it fine, just offering a different perspective on the same facts.
Sometimes what you make is not what you intended to make, that's all FlareCDE is saying.
Yah, like, my lasagna _totally_ turned out to be goulash....
He's getting it fine, just offering a different perspective on the same facts.
Sometimes what you make is not what you intended to make, that's all FlareCDE is saying.
His assessment that everyone hates all users just because they are users, is incorrect though, since Arrowmaster is criticizing a specific type of user.
www.curse.com <- that a way. This is not an addon distribution site.
And let this be a warning to anybody else that used WowAce as a distribution site and comes here to complain. Prepare to be flamed.
Whenever I see the year old politics of user-scaring flaring up I'm reminded of Kaelten's old post when Indy tried to bully things around along those lines:
I can remember maybe 1-2 posts total in the Recount thread that I couldn't find some productive way to respond to. The fast majority of user feedback I am getting is productive. The signal to noise ratio is excellent overall and the omgz-some-users-panick is hardly a deep issue, at least in my realm of interaction.
The only thing that repeatedly saddens me in this community how perfectly fine people can end up getting the rough stick just because a few select vocal folks find that a good way to treat people. It's not really, so please if you disagree, have a dissenting opinion, have a view how you'd like things. Let others have the same. Cheers.
Just to make it clear, I for one have no problem with wowace also distributing addons (heck release flagged addons show on wowace!), and I have no problem with a user coming here with that understanding. That in no way per se reflects poorly on the user. When a user starts running rampart like that one guy who harrassed Sylv excessively over WAU and went on with sourceforge crap etc, then it's a different matter. Go report and let admins handle it.
But apparently a select few have decided for all of us what wowace is, namely one where some users should expect to be harrassed, even if their only fault is to not be warned of that specific mind-set. Yikes.
Users are fine to be "untrained", they are people. If you can't treat them that way frankly I rather have you go than that "untrained" but otherwise innocent user.
You are entitled to want no distribution related posts here, you are not entitled to force that view on everybody and create a hostile environment that we all have to take, in my rather humble opinion.
I'm hopeful that admins will step in and stop people from being harrassed and flamed. On that note, is there a report feature on the new forum?
Dridzt, thanks. That's what I was getting at, apologies for being overly longwinded. I understand the changes taking place, and agree with them. But we need to take these "Curse sucks, wowace ruled" posts and ask them why. Lessons learned from wowace's popularity, intended or not, should be applied to Curse and not just ignored. Now if these complainers can't come up with anything other than "Curse sucks," they can be ignored.
Tristanian, I apologize if it sounded like I was making a broad accusation. Please keep in mind how things look to someone who isn't used to the behaviour of some people here though. A newcomer, who might be a valuable member for the community, sees the same hostile post as the incorrigible individual it was intended for. They may not understand the attitude in the context it's meant. I know some people don't care about their reputations, but what they post represents the community as a whole, especially if the community is tolerant of it. It's sad, because many of them are people I respect and look up to. I don't want to see people turned away though.
Elsia, there's a little red triangle with an exclamation in it to the lower left of a post. This will report it. I totally agree that people need to be treated civilly. In the worst case scenario either ignore or report a truly problem user.
wowace wasn't just a distribution site, it was a pioneer in distribution. That's why it ended up so popular. WAU accomplished what several other sites attempted before and have attempted since, and failed. files.wowace.com was a true masterpiece of simplicity, a place to go, get an addon, and get going with no nonsense. The devs here didn't just develop addons, but an infrastructure surrounding the development, testing, and distribution of addons. That's the truth of it. wowace became a one stop shop for addon use, and now people just expect things to stay that way. This goes double for the "power user," the person who knows enough to get dirty when they need to and truly appreciates not having to deal with the hand holding and mind numbing of a traditional front end.
Personally, rather than hating the users, you all should be proud of yourselves. All this hostility is uncalled for and unnecessary and truly disappointing. Let the people complain, and either in a week or two they'll be singing praises, or they'll wander off to another community to harass them instead. Handing out flames just encourages trolls to show up and makes you look bad :(.
You still don't get it, do you ? It's right there on the initial post.
"In all honesty, that second group of users never belonged on wowace in the first place. It was never ever meant as a release site, and wasn't built that way. WAU made users and authors lazy - authors stopped "releasing" their addons to release sites because it was too easy to just leave it on WAU, and users didn't want to look anywhere else because it was too easy to click one button to update."
Crystal now ? I don't think that anyone from the older members cares if they "look bad" or not when it comes to this. They are just sick of it, and setting the record straight.
He's getting it fine, just offering a different perspective on the same facts.
Sometimes what you make is not what you intended to make, that's all FlareCDE is saying.
Yes, flarecde2 has en extremely valid perspective, even if some people can't swallow it, and it's a bit sad to see that creation pushed aside (but even more sad to see some stodgy community members cheering it as it burns). The planned integration with Curse is really a better way to go though (if it can be pulled off) because it will make it easy for lazy authors to push changes to the main Curse site, since the lack of published release versions of addons on the wowace SVN was a big factor in the wowace SVN becoming a release point in itself. Lazy authors combined with some clever and powerful updater tools resulted in lazy users.
His assessment that everyone hates all users just because they are users, is incorrect though, since Arrowmaster is criticizing a specific type of user.
...And doing a piss-poor job of it. The author versus user elitism makes me want to give up on this community. It's immature and foolish.
Whenever I see the year old politics of user-scaring flaring up I'm reminded of Kaelten's old post when Indy tried to bully things around along those lines:
I can remember maybe 1-2 posts total in the Recount thread that I couldn't find some productive way to respond to. The fast majority of user feedback I am getting is productive. The signal to noise ratio is excellent overall and the omgz-some-users-panick is hardly a deep issue, at least in my realm of interaction.
Thanks for the link, I think I'll make it my sig :)
Also, Indy is pretty much a straight-up troll IMO. If he posted more often I'd probably put him on ignore.
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Curse PremiumOr just be very random. I wandered to another floor at work to visit with a good friend after I got tired of staring at my own stuff (data mapping) for a bit. She proceeded to tell her client:
'My friend <insert name here> says hi. She's actually my roommate, except we live in different apartments. She's my sister with a different mother too. Oh, she moved here from El Paso...'
I decided that was my cue to leave before the next sentence was 'ok, let me put you on speakerphone and you can talk to her too.'
When all else fails, offer them beer and lime.
I still *use* visor...
I was here too...
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also...
A good mod is a good mod, no matter who writes it or what framework it uses. Shitty mods are shitty no matter who wrote it or what framework it uses. An author makes an addon worth using, not a framework.
in short...
Good coders write good mods, shitty coders write shitty mods. The Ace framework has had its fair share of shitty mods.
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Project AuthorSometimes this was due to using the framework without a proper understanding, or using it JUST to use it (make it Ace!) - turning a 30-line addon into a monster :)
www.curse.com <- that a way. This is not an addon distribution site.
You are an example of a person in that other group that doesn't really belong here. You only used WowAce because of the updater. You switched to only using Ace mods because of the updater. You think because its "Ace'd" its better probably. And you obviously have not participated in the community at all because if you had then you would know that we hate people calling it "ACE".
And let this be a warning to anybody else that used WowAce as a distribution site and comes here to complain. Prepare to be flamed.
Personally, rather than hating the users, you all should be proud of yourselves. All this hostility is uncalled for and unnecessary and truly disappointing. Let the people complain, and either in a week or two they'll be singing praises, or they'll wander off to another community to harass them instead. Handing out flames just encourages trolls to show up and makes you look bad :(.
You still don't get it, do you ? It's right there on the initial post.
"In all honesty, that second group of users never belonged on wowace in the first place. It was never ever meant as a release site, and wasn't built that way. WAU made users and authors lazy - authors stopped "releasing" their addons to release sites because it was too easy to just leave it on WAU, and users didn't want to look anywhere else because it was too easy to click one button to update."
Crystal now ? I don't think that anyone from the older members cares if they "look bad" or not when it comes to this. They are just sick of it, and setting the record straight.
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His assessment that everyone hates all users just because they are users, is incorrect though, since Arrowmaster is criticizing a specific type of user.
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Curse PremiumAnd users are fine, as long as they are properly trained and when they step out of line we whack them on the nose with a newspaper.
"Bad user that is not a proper bug report!"
/sigh.. i need more sleep
Whenever I see the year old politics of user-scaring flaring up I'm reminded of Kaelten's old post when Indy tried to bully things around along those lines:
http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=196089&postcount=123
I can remember maybe 1-2 posts total in the Recount thread that I couldn't find some productive way to respond to. The fast majority of user feedback I am getting is productive. The signal to noise ratio is excellent overall and the omgz-some-users-panick is hardly a deep issue, at least in my realm of interaction.
The only thing that repeatedly saddens me in this community how perfectly fine people can end up getting the rough stick just because a few select vocal folks find that a good way to treat people. It's not really, so please if you disagree, have a dissenting opinion, have a view how you'd like things. Let others have the same. Cheers.
Just to make it clear, I for one have no problem with wowace also distributing addons (heck release flagged addons show on wowace!), and I have no problem with a user coming here with that understanding. That in no way per se reflects poorly on the user. When a user starts running rampart like that one guy who harrassed Sylv excessively over WAU and went on with sourceforge crap etc, then it's a different matter. Go report and let admins handle it.
But apparently a select few have decided for all of us what wowace is, namely one where some users should expect to be harrassed, even if their only fault is to not be warned of that specific mind-set. Yikes.
Users are fine to be "untrained", they are people. If you can't treat them that way frankly I rather have you go than that "untrained" but otherwise innocent user.
You are entitled to want no distribution related posts here, you are not entitled to force that view on everybody and create a hostile environment that we all have to take, in my rather humble opinion.
I'm hopeful that admins will step in and stop people from being harrassed and flamed. On that note, is there a report feature on the new forum?
Tristanian, I apologize if it sounded like I was making a broad accusation. Please keep in mind how things look to someone who isn't used to the behaviour of some people here though. A newcomer, who might be a valuable member for the community, sees the same hostile post as the incorrigible individual it was intended for. They may not understand the attitude in the context it's meant. I know some people don't care about their reputations, but what they post represents the community as a whole, especially if the community is tolerant of it. It's sad, because many of them are people I respect and look up to. I don't want to see people turned away though.
Elsia, there's a little red triangle with an exclamation in it to the lower left of a post. This will report it. I totally agree that people need to be treated civilly. In the worst case scenario either ignore or report a truly problem user.
Yes, flarecde2 has en extremely valid perspective, even if some people can't swallow it, and it's a bit sad to see that creation pushed aside (but even more sad to see some stodgy community members cheering it as it burns). The planned integration with Curse is really a better way to go though (if it can be pulled off) because it will make it easy for lazy authors to push changes to the main Curse site, since the lack of published release versions of addons on the wowace SVN was a big factor in the wowace SVN becoming a release point in itself. Lazy authors combined with some clever and powerful updater tools resulted in lazy users.
...And doing a piss-poor job of it. The author versus user elitism makes me want to give up on this community. It's immature and foolish.
Thanks for the link, I think I'll make it my sig :)
Also, Indy is pretty much a straight-up troll IMO. If he posted more often I'd probably put him on ignore.