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Quote from Kaelten

you must not have been around for a while mate.

I've kicked all those off more than a month ago.

After the 2.0 patch, I went to files.wowace.com for all my updates and addons. Not until that was removed did I return to curse, grumbling and grinding my teeth all the way.

nice updater, guy.

Quote from darkeh4321

eh copy right laws from the US effect me in the UK? maybe if its being distrubeted from the US but all others i dont have to worry then.

Yes, US copyright law [i]does[/i] affect you in the UK, and in many other countries around the world. Quoting from the US government's copyright FAQ web page:

[B]Is my copyright good in other countries?[/B]
The United States has copyright relations with most countries throughout the world, and as a result of these agreements, we honor each other's citizens' copyrights. However, the United States does not have such copyright relationships with every country. For a listing of countries and the nature of their copyright relations with the United States, see Circular 38a, [I]International Copyright Relations of the United States[/I].

The linked PDF file indicates that the United Kingdom adheres to several laws and treaties relating to international copyrights, including those established at the Berne Convention. In short, yes, my addon being protected by US copyright law means it is also protected in the UK.

Quote from darkeh4321

but srsly, you copyright your addons?

I don't have to. The copyright laws in the US, where I live, ensure that the code in my addons is automatically copyrighted at the moment it is written. I can explicitly take action to give up any or all of my copyright rights after the fact, by licensing my code under a specific license or placing it in the public domain, but if I take no action, the code remains automatically and legally copyrighted to me with all rights reserved. This applies to [i]any[/i] addon code written by anyone living in the US, even if the author doesn't know about it.

Quote from flarecde

I'm confused. If addons in a compilation are linked to the same downloads that people are using to download the addons individually then supporting addons in compilations is no different than supporting addons downloaded outside of them. They are the same files, just downloaded slightly differently. The same support issues apply, no? I trying to see the difference in supporting one or the other, other than volume.

Because in order to allow inclusion in "virtual" compilations (everything is just linked, and is pulled from my latest file), but not in "physical" compilations (everything is zipped and uploaded the compiler), I would have to alter my license to make that distincion, and because it would open the door for people to include my addon in any compilation and then claiming "oh, I didn't know what the difference was". It's infinitely simpler and more robust from a legal standpoint to make no distinction, and prohibit inclusion in [i]any[/i] compilations.

Also, I do allow for inclusion [b]if[/i] I have been asked beforehand and granted my consent, but the chances of me consenting to any compilation are about one in a billion. Nearly every compilation I've seen makes me think "eww", and I don't want my work associated with something that makes me think "eww" when I see it. :p

i thought you had to apply / pay for copy right on something, hence it being alot of bother

but anyway can we talk about my suggestion of having a report out of date function for each ui pack page? then they would not be able to use out of date addons unless specifically required etc.

edit, so now your basing it on taste? right.

also you do have to register if you want to use this copyright to enforce anything the site says, but why should your laws affect me (not that i even know the UK ones), can you even take me to court when im in another country?

Quote from darkeh4321

i thought you had to apply / pay for copy right on something, hence it being alot of bother

I think you're thinking of patents which are a different beast entirely.

Quote from Kaelten

I think you're thinking of patents which are a different beast entirely.

aye i know patents do, i thought copyright was in the same biscuit tin =/

Quote from darkeh4321

edit, so now your basing it on taste? right.

My license specifics that you cannot distribute my addon as a part of an addon pack unless you ask first and I say it's okay. It's absolutely within my rights to use any criteria I wish in deciding which requests to say okay to. If you have a problem with that, or with my license (which is actually extremely permissive), then you are quite free to NOT use my addons.

Quote from darkeh4321

also you do have to register if you want to use this copyright to enforce anything the site says

Yes, but I can very easily provide proof of the original date of creation (when copyright first applied to the code), especially since I not only have copies of every released version on my computer, but there are also two major addon sites who are not related to each other who can provide proof of when the addon was first uploaded.

However, it's pretty sad that you're even bringing this up. My license, in effect, is asking you very nicely to adhere to one very simple rule (don't distribute my addon without my permission) with a very easy workaround (rename the addon), and you're saying, in effect, "screw you, I refuse to comply with that, you'll have to take me to court to stop me." Is that really how you feel about this?

Quote from darkeh4321

why should your laws affect me (not that i even know the UK ones), can you even take me to court when im in another country?

Yes, I can, and "my" laws affect you because the country you live in has agreed at multiple international conventions to respect and enforce the copyright laws of the country I live in. In return, the country I live in has agreed to respect and enforce the copyright laws of the country you live in.

meh fair enough, international laws are pooey, give 1nation world please

but u still didnt answer all of my questions; i mean your saying if you like the look of one ui they can use it, but if they dont like it then you cant. even though surely what you like or dislike isnt something that is universal

regardless of wether you think its pooey or unfair. It is their right to deny.

Quote from Phanx

2. It's not about elitism. If you've ever released an addon, you'll know how much time and frustration can stem from trying to provide support to users. Even if the ONLY place users can download your addon is the ONE place you uploaded it, you'll still get support requests for bugs which were fixed months before. You'll still get support requrest from people who didn't read the addon description and can't figure out how to make it do X. Now go to any UI site that allows compilations, and spend even 30 seconds looking at their compilation listing -- look how many compilations are massively outdated, but are still downloaded by dozens of users every day. If your addon is included in even one of those compilations, that's dozens of new users every day who are downloading your addon and are probably stumbling over bugs you fixed long ago.

I wholeheartedly support this statement. Speaking against my personal experience, I believe Joe User would be STAGGERED, how much time that could be spent on new data and features is spent on support. So many support requests are unnecessary due to failure to follow installation directions or old file version from compilations or unofficial sources like WoWMatrix.

is there anyway you could create something for addons that scans for updates just for itsself alone, like adaware or windows auto updates? but also be outside of memory usage.. meh sounds like of hard actually.

Quote from darkeh4321

but u still didnt answer all of my questions; i mean your saying if you like the look of one ui they can use it, but if they dont like it then you cant. even though surely what you like or dislike isnt something that is universal

I did answer that question, but since you want to press the issue, I'll elaborate. My license states only that you must obtain my express consent before you redistribute my addon in any form. It does not specify any particular criteria I must use in choosing whether or not to grant that consent if it is requested, and no copyright or other applicable law places any strictures on what I may or may not consider when deciding whether or not to give consent.

Basically, you are allowed to ask "may I distribute your addon in my compilation?" and I am allowed to say "yes" or "no", of my own free will. It is entirely my choice how to make that decision. By the simple fact that people download compilations I personally think are not aesthetically pleasing, it's self-evident that my dislike is not universal, and I never said that my aesthetic sense was universal. But I still have the right to base my decision on my like or dislike. There are no laws in any civilized country in the world which seek to govern how I must think, or how I must choose whether to consent to something.

In most cases, I will not personally know the compilation creator. I will not know anything about how well he (or she) keeps the compilation up to date, and I will not know anything about the quality of support he provides to users of the compilation. The only things I will know are what the compilation looks like, what addons are included in it, and how its creator presents himself. So yes, the primary factor in my exercise of free will to grant or deny consent will be my aesthetic opinion of what the compilation looks like. To a lesser extent, I will consider the other addons included -- if the compilation includes addons I know are very poorly written, or addons I know are unmaintained and on the verge of breaking, I will probably say no -- and how the compilation creator presents the request -- if the request is polite and doesn't look like a 5-year-old's attempt at sending a SMS message, I'll be more likely to say yes than if it's rude and/or poorly written.

And, I am human. If I'm having a bad day, I'll be more likely to say no than if I'm having a good day.

You don't have to approve of how I think, or how I choose to exercise my free will in choosing whether or not to consent to granting you extra rights to use my copyrighted work. I still have the right even if you don't like it. I'm sure there are still people who disapprove of black people having equal rights under law in the United States, or in South Africa. Their dislike doesn't nullify the law, and it doesn't nullify anyone's rights.

Does that answer your question?

nah wrong question, and you cant rly compare equality to international law, as one has the possibility of being corrupt and or wrong

I wasn't comparing the concept of human rights equality itself. I was using civil rights law as an example of a law that some people strongly dislike, as an illustration of the fact that just because you don't like the law, and the rights granted to people by the law apply whether or not you like it.

Quote from Torhal

Now you're debating simply to debate. She makes a point and you grab onto something entirely different in her message and run with it.

maybe cos phanx already won me over on that topic? sigh @ you


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but srsly, you copyright your addons?
Anything I create is copyrighted.

And "srsly", why are we debating with someone with such poor grammatical skills?

welcome to the freaking internet, if you want to see "grammatical skills" go read a book

or maybe i can actually speak more than just english to high a level but on the internet i prefer to not to spend as much time typing out each word?

if you insult people for having bad grammar, you must also insult people for being bad at sports etc. because some people are just bad at it (learning disabilities and other issues).

"even then, I tended to type full words."

you are a saint