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Okay, this is just a bit of a note that lately I've been trying to wean myself off Warcraft again, I've been playing City of Villains which really is a lot of fun. I'm getting really tired of Blizzard's "Nil Fun" policies and eventually I see Warcraft becoming little more than PvP battlegrounds and 40-man raid dungeons, oh joy.
The next patch will hit soon and it sounds like it's very likely going to kill my favourite exploration aspect of the game (if you don't know what that is, I'm not going to tell you), so I'll have little reason to actually play again. I'm not a PvP sort and the endless grinding just isn't fun enough to hold my attention so I'm looking for new frontiers of exploration, I have a few options open and they look better than Warcraft right now.
The difference from the time when I wasn't playing is that now, instead of not playing anything, I'm actively playing and looking for new games to play, which'll mean I'll have less time to code and less inclination to code for Blizzard's game. If, by chance, they haven't killed my favourite part of their game, I'll keep the subscription open and play every now and again but otherwise, I've really lost my will to play there.
So it might be that time again, if you see any of my projects that you wnat to pick up, feel free.
Also: Yes, the above reasons are also why my updates have been less than usual lately, for I have been playing other games and it has been fun. Yay exploration.
They are killing us 'asplorers'!!! I logged on top of IF just in case the patch is out tomorrow. :P Also, I was gonna go find a new way into Hyjal, but... I didn't feel like spending hours to do that and then log out there. I gues on top of IF is enough. :wink:
I've been tempted to do that but the thing is, lately I've been discovering new areas by the day. I found a new location above the Plaguelands just last week and I've been thinking about going there. Yatlas is the perfect scout for finding interesting places to explore. The whole situation though, where I won't be able to get to places now ... it's just depressing.
The exploration method not only allowed us to go to interesting places but it also allowed us to get to standard game locations that were too high for our level and we could do it by our own autonomy without needing someone to escort us. All we needed were wits and good reflexes and we could get past just about any obstacle but of course, Blizzard can't milk money out of us cash-cows if we're going to see later areas of the game so early on, even though we could do it with an escort anyway.
It really meant that a person could found a league of explorers and instead of; "omgbbqblah i raided xrads at 15 lololololz !!oneone", a person could put a claim to having been to the Slithid hives at level 30 or the Caverns of Time at level 22 (both of which I've done). Hell, a person can even freely scale the walls of hte Un'Goro crater at no higher than 20 if they know what they're doing and it's a blast!
I've heard the excuse that they fixed it because PvPers might exploit it but the more I think about that, the more I realize it's bullshit. This isn't an easy thing to fix, I can imagine the code it took them to make sure that high-mountain quest areas were still accessible whilst stopping undesirable mountain endeavours. The easier solution? Setup 'zones' and make AttackTarget() and UseAction() not work inside of these zones. That'd be a much easier fix, I know it would because I've watched roleplaying games in development and I know that's an incredibly easy thing to do.
Location x, y to x, y, disable all combat capabilities, done. All they'd have to do then is add new zones in future patches as problem areas might be found. It's even lazier than their current solution because I'm almost certain that issues will arise from the fix they're making.
I know it's World of Warcraft but as it stands, even more war-orientated games are offering better exploration options at the moment than Warcraft, not everyone's a PvP nutcase and they're going to alienate a demographic of their userbase by proceeding down this path. That's their problem though. I just think it's sad really because exploration is really fun for me, very often I'd look over Yatlas and say to the Guild; "Right, tomorrow we'll check out that place." or I'd check it out myself and then show them all manner of wonders unseen by other players.
It was a blast, those were my accomplishments as a peaceable person. That's not going to happen anymore though so I don't really see a reason to put my energy into it. They annoyed me when they started attacking AddOn developers a while back but that was anger and that dissipated.
This isn't anger, this is just ... disappointment and loss of all hope. Bye Warcraft, we hardly knew ye.
Bottom Line: For everyone who didn't want to read all of that, Blizzard took my mountaineering tools, I can no longer claim my dominion over the highest and mightiest mountains of Warcraft. I'm not allowed to perform acts of incredible mountaineering, the Mountaineer class isn't in their World-View and thusly must be destroyed. My primary profession will be culled at order of the Game's-Government, be my characters the roleplayers they are, they'll sure be distraught and at a loss of words to describe their tight-fisted overlords. Blech.
The thing about Warcraft is the first 3 letters of the name. I know you're in the same mindset as me Rowne, I just don't understand why the horde and alliance are supposedly enemies. But in the end, Blizzy seems to think that PvP is the core value of this game, and endgame raids that require a full college lecture worth of people to complete being a close second. So in the end the game will constanly be tweaked and nerfed in the name of PvP, sad to say. When you look at it in the whole, wallwalking is totally harmless UNLESS YOU PVP. Such a shame really.
And yea, I look at things like PvP and PvE servers and it makes no sense to me. The "Neutral" NPC population seems to outnumber the horde and ally NPC pop, so why not let players go neutral? They could even do away with the PvP/PvE server settings this way. Everything is PvP, you start off horde or ally. By the time you hit 20 you can go neutral by "grinding rep" with a faction of your choice until you are offered sanctuary in their faction. Heck it makes a lot of sense really, the PvP players would be happy, the PvEers like me and Rowne could denounce our faction (which would be an irreversable action BTW, and would have necessary consequeses to prevent everyone from doing it). In the end I find the real "war" in this game is not between ally and horde, but between the gankers and carebears.
But yea, enough ranting. I'll gladly take on some of your mods if needed Rowne... heck I'm thinking about re-adopting MinipetLeash/AceLeash/Zookeeper... I got something in the works that's gonna make that mod kick even more ass than it already does ^^ Gee right there's another nerf in the name of PvP, item use requiring a hardware event.... thank you Auto insignia of the alliance/horde
Not a merge, just a little dependancy, one that will be oh so worth it *grin*
Gotta add the new pets, get it using itemID's not strings, and hook reloadui so that it doesn't keep swapping my pet when I'm developing (cause I spend more time coding than playing)
I play City of Villains, code, log in to WoW to test, release, go back to City of Villains.
But I do still enjoy playing WoW, especially starting over at lower levels. I know I have a different mindset, but for me the game isn't all about pvp battlegrounds and 40 man dungeons. If those were the only things I felt the game had to offer me I wouldn't have played at all. Or if I did enjoy them still I'd be back doing whatever it is my old guild is doing after plowing through MC.
For me CoH isn't any different than WoW, in one aspect. It's a game I have to play with other people to enjoy for any extent of time. Visuals are different, gameplay is different, the idea is the same. If I'm playing with people I enjoy playing with the medium is irrelevant to me.
I do have to admit I still don't entirely understand this question.
I just don't understand why the horde and alliance are supposedly enemies.
Because... they are. There is a history out there. But I guess what I don't understand is why of anything this question comes up as a reason for not liking the game. I mean it's fine if you don't, but it is the entire premise of the game. It just sounds to me like saying, "I don't understand why Ghandi didn't get into fistfights with more people."
In any event, I don't begrudge anyone not playing a game, I've left more than my fair share and the only thing that's kept me involved in WoW this long has been coding.
Haha, I finally beat Rowne at something. I took my level 18 Gnome Mage to Silithus, and took him over the wall into AQ. It was a blast! Too bad all the good times are gonna be over. . . :(
I have no idea what you guys don't want to be gone from wow in the next patch, but it seems that you are busy with techniques to exploit 'glitches' in the maps to get to places where the makers of the game didnt want you to go. No right to speak about the topic. (Ofcource if that is what makes it a fun game for you then you do have the right to speak)
And also, why on earth would anyone want to play a violent game in wich the goal is to kill and slaughter as many villains and mobs to become better from it if he/she is against violence!? Being against violence in real life is fine by me, good you know. But to rant about how orcs and night elves should play kissy kissy virtually goes beyond me. It's a game, play it.
Sorry but i just cant look at these posts anymore without saying my thing.
I myself don't have a lvl 60 character and dont go raiding and pvping all day. But what i do is quest and have fun exploring the storyline. I do this on the horde side AND the alliance side. There is no evil or good, its all just fun.
I deny grinding because the very essence of it states that you are being too serious about playing a GAME. It's a GAME. Play it like it's a GAME. Don't look forward to being able to afford that next set of armour but look forward to being able to wear it and make your character look better/sexier in it. It's all fun!
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I won't say another thing about this, but i just want people to know that there are other people that enjoy games the way they are meant to be played.
* Elven NPCs in Scholomance will now animate properly. * Players should no longer be able to walk on steep terrain.
* Players should no longer be able to move slowly through some locked doors and gates.
* Nida Winterhoof in Thunder Bluff now sells Flowers for the sensitive Horde player.
* The Short John Mithril's chest in Stranglethorn Arena will now display an effect when it is being opened so its harder to open the chest unnoticed.
* Night Elf food vendors have changed their supplies slightly.
* Chests in Maraudon have been disabled for good.
* In Wetlands, Bluegill Murlocs will now be more plentiful and several other Bluegill camps have been thinned.
* All mount sounds, when standing still and pressing spacebar are now all in place.
* Tauren males now use their off-hand attacks animation.
* The Zeppelin's propeller from Under City should now animate properly.
* Flight Paths
o New flight paths added between Ironforge and Chillwind Point. Also, between Chillwind Point and Light's Hope Chapel.
o Fixed a problem with the flight paths between The Crossroads in The Barrens and Zoram'gar Outpost in Ashenvale.
o Fixed the flight over Yojamba Isle from Booty Bay in Stranglethorn to Sentinel Hill in Westfall.
Just for those... un-explorerers....
Industrail - That's the problem, we all hae 60 Characters, well I think most of us do anyways. I PvP and do MC when I can. Once you get to 60, the entire game is about getting new armor and weapons and rank, not looking forward to being able to wear it...
then go and do quests to get to know more about the game's storyline and not to just click the quest window away, look it up on allakhazam and get the quick XP
No 60's here (tho my hunter is getting close, after a year). Personally I do want one 60, just to say I did it, cause I didn't in FFXI and that made me a sad panda. It made me sad because all the game's plot was tied up in endgame and it was a damn good story (I read it all after I left for WoW). I hate to say it but it seems the core storyline(s?) of WoW are tied to the endgame college-lecture-sized raids. There does need to be more endgame content for small groups. I duoed levels 1-60 with my husband, why should we be able to endgame too? His work sched makes raids totally impossible for him, and I really wouldn't have much fun playing without him.
Okey and about the ally/horde war, I don't see a war at all really. I keep hearing this shit about an "uneasy truce." We're picking up where WC3 left off, and from what I remember there, the Alliance and Horde just got done working together. No they're not best buds for life, but it seems to me that they don't outright hate each other and I don't see a fullscale war happening. And then when you look at the actual players, there's no hatred there. People kill the other faction because they can. If you were allowed to attack you own faction under the same rules as cross-faction, I bet you there'd be just as many bored 60 ally ganking low level ally players as there are bored hordies doing it.
I guess that's my point though, some people love the PvP and some don't, and because of the split rulesets this tends to divide up people quite harshly. The best guild II ever had was on a PvP server, and I never leveled past 60 there. When they went to start an ally guild on another server I tried to get them to go PvE.... you know how harsh they were about it? So now I never see my friends anymore, just because I can't stand to play under PvP rules. I'd go back in a heartbeat if I could change my faction to say, Ratchet. So few people ever get in bad graces with that faction :)
Orione ... damn you! Well, uh ... um, my Guild found a new Troll town! The Shatterspear tribe up in Darkshore. There's even a Troll dancing party there.
Industrial I'm glad you agree that you have no idea and I'm glad you agree that it's a topic you shouldn't speak on because people who speak out of turn about topics they have no clue about and haven't taken part in are frankly smacktards. It makes the person who does that the Jack Thomson of the Warcraft World. Just think about what Jack Thomson does. He doesn't understand his source material nor why people enjoy it, he just chooses to speak out against it whilst looking like an idiot to anyone who does happen to be better informed.
As far as exploiting glitches, it isn't. It's simply something that's in the game and it's something that's always been there. It's not a glitch because it has no real useful applications (aside from one, single location in Lordaeron for PvP ... and they could just put a damn roof on Lordaeron). The very nature of exploration is to go where nature and the World in general doesn't want you to go. It's to learn what nobody before has learned. There'll alwasy be people who're jealous of or angry at explorers, who'll consider them defilers or hate them openly for what they can do that others cannot but in the end, an explorer reveals things to the World that no one else could.
After patch 1.9, I'm going to release a battery of screenshots just to show the places I've been. No hacks used, no third-party programs, just my own wits and Yatlas. The same goes for my Guild who're also now incurable explorers. The whole damn point of exploration is seeing what's out there and if humans aren't going to be explorers (of the lands, Sciences, each other, themselves, thespianism, the arts ... and so on) then we might aswell not have come down from the trees in the first place. We could've stayed up there and still pelted each other with unripe fruit if that's all there is to life.
The point of an explorer isn't to just be a drone, they don't just sit there awaiting their assigned task, at which point they'd scurry off to fulfil it with self-contented vigour, we are both blessed and cursed with an insatiable urge to explore. Not everyone comes into a game just to kill things, the promise of new lands to explore is what brought me to Warcraft and that's what I did. Just because there's something you can do in a game doesn't mean that you should exclude all other possibilities because that kind of thinking is an evil known as totalitarianism and it isn'te very nice. I don't begrudge you running around and killing things, nor will I ever. Just as you shouldn't begrudge me the right to explore.
If I wanted to sit in slot A until I received orders from boss-bot B and then deliver item C to person D to get reward E to be sent back to slot A to wait for the next assignment, that's what I'd do. My own desires lead me to push against that though, I cast off the shackles of the usual and try to see what's unusual out there. I'm not saying that this is for everyone and I'm tolerant of people who just want to take something they're given as it is but just because something might be something, doesn't mean you shouldn't explore its applications as something else. This is how evolution works, we try things to see what happens. That, for me, is fun. That is playing the game, to me, how it was intended to be played because the World is there, it's a land to be conquered and explored and therein lies my joy.
I won't ask you to understand this. I won't ask you to tolerate it. I just feel the need to justify my own desires for exploration. It has nothing to do with exploiting glitches or any absolutionistly negative bullshit like that. It's just about casting off the chains of the usual and getting out there, doing what I can do when I can do it. Just because it's a crime not to show people what can be done with a determined will and a good set of wits to do it with. I don't think the people who climbed Mount Everest the first time were considered to be folks who were exploiting glitches in nature. Sure, there were those who screamed out against it for the sanctity of the mountain but we can all imagine why they did that. You just have to think about it in that way.
Sure, you can enjoy a game for what it is or you could try and find out its potential, you could try and discover what secrets lay hidden beneath the surface. Just as I won't begrudge your enjoyment of grinding, you shouldn't begrudge my desire to explore and learn.
The bottom line is, I choose not to limit myself. There's a whole lot in that game that nobody else has seen, that in itself is a challenge and just like those who originally scaled Everest, I take that challenge because it's fun. Yes, fun. It's not about exploits, it's not about sticking it too anyone. It's just fun. I can say I've conquered Warcraft many times over. Some people might say they beat Onyxia at level X or raided the Crossroads at level Y but my accomplishments don't sound like that. Mine are more like; "Hey, my Guild spent a few, hard hours scaling a mountian to be greeted by a tribe of happy, dancing Trolls. After a good rest, we spent some time dancing with them and initiating a great first contact before moving on to see what else is out there."
Everyone's going to have their own mindset about this. This is mine. I'm an explorer, I can see past the surface.
Rowne - I've been meanign to hit that up before 1.9 comes out... too bad I'm leaving for the Dessert tomorrow. *Sigh* I deleted my whole Screenshots folder one day because I couldn't find anything. So I only have what's left on my photobucket account. Ihad some Bug pics from AQ, but they are gone.
Just for a teaser on what I've seen... (And yes, this is actually in the game. It's in Hyjal, and actually they show a pic of it in the Expansion Preview.)
<Edit> Bah, it's kinda small. I used it for a sig for a while. It says, "Blizzard Construction Co.".
Industrial I'm glad you agree that you have no idea and I'm glad you agree that it's a topic you shouldn't speak on because people who speak out of turn about topics they have no clue about and haven't taken part in are frankly smacktards. It makes the person who does that the Jack Thomson of the Warcraft World. Just think about what Jack Thomson does. He doesn't understand his source material nor why people enjoy it, he just chooses to speak out against it whilst looking like an idiot to anyone who does happen to be better informed.
pffff
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As far as exploiting glitches, it isn't. It's simply something that's in the game and it's something that's always been there. It's not a glitch because it has no real useful applications (aside from one, single location in Lordaeron for PvP ... and they could just put a damn roof on Lordaeron).
It's not meant for you to be there, so don't go there. You dont have any right to go against the creators of the game on this matter. Their decisions for their world are theirs to make and not yours to judge. It can't be that you play a game to uncover the slips and errors the developers made so that they have to go and patch it up again.
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The very nature of exploration is to go where nature and the World in general doesn't want you to go. It's to learn what nobody before has learned. There'll alwasy be people who're jealous of or angry at explorers, who'll consider them defilers or hate them openly for what they can do that others cannot but in the end, an explorer reveals things to the World that no one else could.
I couldn't care less about how you can run up steep mountains better then me.
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After patch 1.9, I'm going to release a battery of screenshots just to show the places I've been. No hacks used, no third-party programs, just my own wits and Yatlas. The same goes for my Guild who're also now incurable explorers.
good... and?
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The whole damn point of exploration is seeing what's out there and if humans aren't going to be explorers (of the lands, Sciences, each other, themselves, thespianism, the arts ... and so on) then we might aswell not have come down from the trees in the first place. We could've stayed up there and still pelted each other with unripe fruit if that's all there is to life.
Get away from the PC more. There's a difference between a game and life. You could use a game to escape from real life (because it mainly sucks), but that's not the point.
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The point of an explorer isn't to just be a drone, they don't just sit there awaiting their assigned task, at which point they'd scurry off to fulfil it with self-contented vigour, we are both blessed and cursed with an insatiable urge to explore. Not everyone comes into a game just to kill things, the promise of new lands to explore is what brought me to Warcraft and that's what I did.
One of the reasons i bought world of warcraft is that it promised a big big world. I still enjoy exploring the world, because i haven't been everywhere yet.
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Just because there's something you can do in a game doesn't mean that you should exclude all other possibilities because that kind of thinking is an evil known as totalitarianism and it isn'te very nice.
Just because there is something to do that isnt beant to be done in a game doesnt meant you have to make the developers invest time in patching things before it leaks out and everyone starts doing it.
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If I wanted to sit in slot A until I received orders from boss-bot B and then deliver item C to person D to get reward E to be sent back to slot A to wait for the next assignment, that's what I'd do. My own desires lead me to push against that though, I cast off the shackles of the usual and try to see what's unusual out there.
Have fun in reading what quests say, what your role in the world is, what problems NPC's have, how it drives you to venture into enemy lands, etcetera. NOT to read the objectives, skim the quest text for the location ('east of somewhere') and go and slaughter the mobs or deliver the item.
If i need to steal a neckless back i'm having fun trying as hard to make it look as if i'm really stealing it. (just an example). That's having fun in a game.
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I'm not saying that this is for everyone and I'm tolerant of people who just want to take something they're given as it is but just because something might be something, doesn't mean you shouldn't explore its applications as something else. This is how evolution works, we try things to see what happens. That, for me, is fun. That is playing the game, to me, how it was intended to be played because the World is there, it's a land to be conquered and explored and therein lies my joy.
I won't ask you to understand this. I won't ask you to tolerate it. I just feel the need to justify my own desires for exploration. It has nothing to do with exploiting glitches or any absolutionistly negative bullshit like that. It's just about casting off the chains of the usual and getting out there, doing what I can do when I can do it. Just because it's a crime not to show people what can be done with a determined will and a good set of wits to do it with. I don't think the people who climbed Mount Everest the first time were considered to be folks who were exploiting glitches in nature. Sure, there were those who screamed out against it for the sanctity of the mountain but we can all imagine why they did that. You just have to think about it in that way.
Sure, you can enjoy a game for what it is or you could try and find out its potential, you could try and discover what secrets lay hidden beneath the surface.
Sigh.. i guess you get the point..
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Just as I won't begrudge your enjoyment of grinding, you shouldn't begrudge my desire to explore and learn.
nnonononono...
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I deny grinding because the very essence of it states that you are being too serious about playing a GAME. It's a GAME. Play it like it's a GAME. Don't look forward to being able to afford that next set of armour but look forward to being able to wear it and make your character look better/sexier in it. It's all fun!
Industrial - Please do not try to compare your play style to ours. We have hit the level cap. There is no more "natural" exploring to be done. If the devs don't want us to go there, they will patch it. They patched Caverns of Time, Hyjal, and many other places. Now they are denying us full access to the world. That upsets me, yet you have no right to tell me how I should play the game. If I want to use I bot I can. If I want to wallwalk, I can. Now if Blizzard wants me to stop they can make me, but you have no place in there.
When I wake up in the morning (since I have no school because of vacation), I begin to play WoW. I play my alt Lock for an hour or two then get bored with the low level quests I've lready completed on one of many other characters. Then, I get on my main (A level 60 Prot specced Warrior) and attempt to make an effort at PvP'ing, even though I know I am good for nothing other than being a meat shield and I accept that. Then, because I'm not one of the hardcore raiders, when there is open space in a guild raid such as MC or BWL, I take it. There really isn't much else to do with my time, when I don't get into the raid, so I go exploring. So, I guess after 1.9 I could spend those hours on my alt leveling him through the countless quests and story lines I've already explored various times, or get on my main and go find a new way into some uncharted teritory.
I don't want to lose respect for more addon authors :) Besides I don't see what's to debate, some of us play to explore, some play to be with a friend, some play to be with 40 friends, and some play to kill their friends over and over again... blizzy's just showing preference towards some of their userbase :P
I just get touchy when people who don't know anything about a subject (any subject), stand up and start smack-talking about it. Not because I feel particularly angry but because I feel it lessens the community and I feel embarrased for them. Imagine what would happen if someone, at a distinguished party, stood up and tried to explain how tea, was in fact, made of excrement and not tea leaves and to then proclaim that tea itself was also crap and unsanitory for that reason.
I just wish people would research their core material before even thinking on commenting on something. As it is though, most people won't. Self awareness doesn't come cheap, oh no. It's got a 10 billion gil pricetag on it.
Anyway, to make amends for my words, I've offered something fun in the post below, go and take a look, I do believe it'll be worth your while.
The next patch will hit soon and it sounds like it's very likely going to kill my favourite exploration aspect of the game (if you don't know what that is, I'm not going to tell you), so I'll have little reason to actually play again. I'm not a PvP sort and the endless grinding just isn't fun enough to hold my attention so I'm looking for new frontiers of exploration, I have a few options open and they look better than Warcraft right now.
The difference from the time when I wasn't playing is that now, instead of not playing anything, I'm actively playing and looking for new games to play, which'll mean I'll have less time to code and less inclination to code for Blizzard's game. If, by chance, they haven't killed my favourite part of their game, I'll keep the subscription open and play every now and again but otherwise, I've really lost my will to play there.
So it might be that time again, if you see any of my projects that you wnat to pick up, feel free.
Also: Yes, the above reasons are also why my updates have been less than usual lately, for I have been playing other games and it has been fun. Yay exploration.
I've been tempted to do that but the thing is, lately I've been discovering new areas by the day. I found a new location above the Plaguelands just last week and I've been thinking about going there. Yatlas is the perfect scout for finding interesting places to explore. The whole situation though, where I won't be able to get to places now ... it's just depressing.
The exploration method not only allowed us to go to interesting places but it also allowed us to get to standard game locations that were too high for our level and we could do it by our own autonomy without needing someone to escort us. All we needed were wits and good reflexes and we could get past just about any obstacle but of course, Blizzard can't milk money out of us cash-cows if we're going to see later areas of the game so early on, even though we could do it with an escort anyway.
It really meant that a person could found a league of explorers and instead of; "omgbbqblah i raided xrads at 15 lololololz !!oneone", a person could put a claim to having been to the Slithid hives at level 30 or the Caverns of Time at level 22 (both of which I've done). Hell, a person can even freely scale the walls of hte Un'Goro crater at no higher than 20 if they know what they're doing and it's a blast!
I've heard the excuse that they fixed it because PvPers might exploit it but the more I think about that, the more I realize it's bullshit. This isn't an easy thing to fix, I can imagine the code it took them to make sure that high-mountain quest areas were still accessible whilst stopping undesirable mountain endeavours. The easier solution? Setup 'zones' and make AttackTarget() and UseAction() not work inside of these zones. That'd be a much easier fix, I know it would because I've watched roleplaying games in development and I know that's an incredibly easy thing to do.
Location x, y to x, y, disable all combat capabilities, done. All they'd have to do then is add new zones in future patches as problem areas might be found. It's even lazier than their current solution because I'm almost certain that issues will arise from the fix they're making.
I know it's World of Warcraft but as it stands, even more war-orientated games are offering better exploration options at the moment than Warcraft, not everyone's a PvP nutcase and they're going to alienate a demographic of their userbase by proceeding down this path. That's their problem though. I just think it's sad really because exploration is really fun for me, very often I'd look over Yatlas and say to the Guild; "Right, tomorrow we'll check out that place." or I'd check it out myself and then show them all manner of wonders unseen by other players.
It was a blast, those were my accomplishments as a peaceable person. That's not going to happen anymore though so I don't really see a reason to put my energy into it. They annoyed me when they started attacking AddOn developers a while back but that was anger and that dissipated.
This isn't anger, this is just ... disappointment and loss of all hope. Bye Warcraft, we hardly knew ye.
Bottom Line: For everyone who didn't want to read all of that, Blizzard took my mountaineering tools, I can no longer claim my dominion over the highest and mightiest mountains of Warcraft. I'm not allowed to perform acts of incredible mountaineering, the Mountaineer class isn't in their World-View and thusly must be destroyed. My primary profession will be culled at order of the Game's-Government, be my characters the roleplayers they are, they'll sure be distraught and at a loss of words to describe their tight-fisted overlords. Blech.
And yea, I look at things like PvP and PvE servers and it makes no sense to me. The "Neutral" NPC population seems to outnumber the horde and ally NPC pop, so why not let players go neutral? They could even do away with the PvP/PvE server settings this way. Everything is PvP, you start off horde or ally. By the time you hit 20 you can go neutral by "grinding rep" with a faction of your choice until you are offered sanctuary in their faction. Heck it makes a lot of sense really, the PvP players would be happy, the PvEers like me and Rowne could denounce our faction (which would be an irreversable action BTW, and would have necessary consequeses to prevent everyone from doing it). In the end I find the real "war" in this game is not between ally and horde, but between the gankers and carebears.
But yea, enough ranting. I'll gladly take on some of your mods if needed Rowne... heck I'm thinking about re-adopting MinipetLeash/AceLeash/Zookeeper... I got something in the works that's gonna make that mod kick even more ass than it already does ^^ Gee right there's another nerf in the name of PvP, item use requiring a hardware event.... thank you Auto insignia of the alliance/horde
http://mastaile.mine.nu/ZooKeeper/ZooKeeperRLatest.zip
Feel free to merge it with whatever you like.
Gotta add the new pets, get it using itemID's not strings, and hook reloadui so that it doesn't keep swapping my pet when I'm developing (cause I spend more time coding than playing)
But I do still enjoy playing WoW, especially starting over at lower levels. I know I have a different mindset, but for me the game isn't all about pvp battlegrounds and 40 man dungeons. If those were the only things I felt the game had to offer me I wouldn't have played at all. Or if I did enjoy them still I'd be back doing whatever it is my old guild is doing after plowing through MC.
For me CoH isn't any different than WoW, in one aspect. It's a game I have to play with other people to enjoy for any extent of time. Visuals are different, gameplay is different, the idea is the same. If I'm playing with people I enjoy playing with the medium is irrelevant to me.
I do have to admit I still don't entirely understand this question.
Because... they are. There is a history out there. But I guess what I don't understand is why of anything this question comes up as a reason for not liking the game. I mean it's fine if you don't, but it is the entire premise of the game. It just sounds to me like saying, "I don't understand why Ghandi didn't get into fistfights with more people."
In any event, I don't begrudge anyone not playing a game, I've left more than my fair share and the only thing that's kept me involved in WoW this long has been coding.
And also, why on earth would anyone want to play a violent game in wich the goal is to kill and slaughter as many villains and mobs to become better from it if he/she is against violence!? Being against violence in real life is fine by me, good you know. But to rant about how orcs and night elves should play kissy kissy virtually goes beyond me. It's a game, play it.
Sorry but i just cant look at these posts anymore without saying my thing.
I myself don't have a lvl 60 character and dont go raiding and pvping all day. But what i do is quest and have fun exploring the storyline. I do this on the horde side AND the alliance side. There is no evil or good, its all just fun.
I deny grinding because the very essence of it states that you are being too serious about playing a GAME. It's a GAME. Play it like it's a GAME. Don't look forward to being able to afford that next set of armour but look forward to being able to wear it and make your character look better/sexier in it. It's all fun!
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I won't say another thing about this, but i just want people to know that there are other people that enjoy games the way they are meant to be played.
Just for those... un-explorerers....
Industrail - That's the problem, we all hae 60 Characters, well I think most of us do anyways. I PvP and do MC when I can. Once you get to 60, the entire game is about getting new armor and weapons and rank, not looking forward to being able to wear it...
Okey and about the ally/horde war, I don't see a war at all really. I keep hearing this shit about an "uneasy truce." We're picking up where WC3 left off, and from what I remember there, the Alliance and Horde just got done working together. No they're not best buds for life, but it seems to me that they don't outright hate each other and I don't see a fullscale war happening. And then when you look at the actual players, there's no hatred there. People kill the other faction because they can. If you were allowed to attack you own faction under the same rules as cross-faction, I bet you there'd be just as many bored 60 ally ganking low level ally players as there are bored hordies doing it.
I guess that's my point though, some people love the PvP and some don't, and because of the split rulesets this tends to divide up people quite harshly. The best guild II ever had was on a PvP server, and I never leveled past 60 there. When they went to start an ally guild on another server I tried to get them to go PvE.... you know how harsh they were about it? So now I never see my friends anymore, just because I can't stand to play under PvP rules. I'd go back in a heartbeat if I could change my faction to say, Ratchet. So few people ever get in bad graces with that faction :)
Industrial I'm glad you agree that you have no idea and I'm glad you agree that it's a topic you shouldn't speak on because people who speak out of turn about topics they have no clue about and haven't taken part in are frankly smacktards. It makes the person who does that the Jack Thomson of the Warcraft World. Just think about what Jack Thomson does. He doesn't understand his source material nor why people enjoy it, he just chooses to speak out against it whilst looking like an idiot to anyone who does happen to be better informed.
As far as exploiting glitches, it isn't. It's simply something that's in the game and it's something that's always been there. It's not a glitch because it has no real useful applications (aside from one, single location in Lordaeron for PvP ... and they could just put a damn roof on Lordaeron). The very nature of exploration is to go where nature and the World in general doesn't want you to go. It's to learn what nobody before has learned. There'll alwasy be people who're jealous of or angry at explorers, who'll consider them defilers or hate them openly for what they can do that others cannot but in the end, an explorer reveals things to the World that no one else could.
After patch 1.9, I'm going to release a battery of screenshots just to show the places I've been. No hacks used, no third-party programs, just my own wits and Yatlas. The same goes for my Guild who're also now incurable explorers. The whole damn point of exploration is seeing what's out there and if humans aren't going to be explorers (of the lands, Sciences, each other, themselves, thespianism, the arts ... and so on) then we might aswell not have come down from the trees in the first place. We could've stayed up there and still pelted each other with unripe fruit if that's all there is to life.
The point of an explorer isn't to just be a drone, they don't just sit there awaiting their assigned task, at which point they'd scurry off to fulfil it with self-contented vigour, we are both blessed and cursed with an insatiable urge to explore. Not everyone comes into a game just to kill things, the promise of new lands to explore is what brought me to Warcraft and that's what I did. Just because there's something you can do in a game doesn't mean that you should exclude all other possibilities because that kind of thinking is an evil known as totalitarianism and it isn'te very nice. I don't begrudge you running around and killing things, nor will I ever. Just as you shouldn't begrudge me the right to explore.
If I wanted to sit in slot A until I received orders from boss-bot B and then deliver item C to person D to get reward E to be sent back to slot A to wait for the next assignment, that's what I'd do. My own desires lead me to push against that though, I cast off the shackles of the usual and try to see what's unusual out there. I'm not saying that this is for everyone and I'm tolerant of people who just want to take something they're given as it is but just because something might be something, doesn't mean you shouldn't explore its applications as something else. This is how evolution works, we try things to see what happens. That, for me, is fun. That is playing the game, to me, how it was intended to be played because the World is there, it's a land to be conquered and explored and therein lies my joy.
I won't ask you to understand this. I won't ask you to tolerate it. I just feel the need to justify my own desires for exploration. It has nothing to do with exploiting glitches or any absolutionistly negative bullshit like that. It's just about casting off the chains of the usual and getting out there, doing what I can do when I can do it. Just because it's a crime not to show people what can be done with a determined will and a good set of wits to do it with. I don't think the people who climbed Mount Everest the first time were considered to be folks who were exploiting glitches in nature. Sure, there were those who screamed out against it for the sanctity of the mountain but we can all imagine why they did that. You just have to think about it in that way.
Sure, you can enjoy a game for what it is or you could try and find out its potential, you could try and discover what secrets lay hidden beneath the surface. Just as I won't begrudge your enjoyment of grinding, you shouldn't begrudge my desire to explore and learn.
The bottom line is, I choose not to limit myself. There's a whole lot in that game that nobody else has seen, that in itself is a challenge and just like those who originally scaled Everest, I take that challenge because it's fun. Yes, fun. It's not about exploits, it's not about sticking it too anyone. It's just fun. I can say I've conquered Warcraft many times over. Some people might say they beat Onyxia at level X or raided the Crossroads at level Y but my accomplishments don't sound like that. Mine are more like; "Hey, my Guild spent a few, hard hours scaling a mountian to be greeted by a tribe of happy, dancing Trolls. After a good rest, we spent some time dancing with them and initiating a great first contact before moving on to see what else is out there."
Everyone's going to have their own mindset about this. This is mine. I'm an explorer, I can see past the surface.
tekkub Word.
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Oops, misread a name there. Corrected.
Just for a teaser on what I've seen... (And yes, this is actually in the game. It's in Hyjal, and actually they show a pic of it in the Expansion Preview.)
<Edit> Bah, it's kinda small. I used it for a sig for a while. It says, "Blizzard Construction Co.".
pffff
It's not meant for you to be there, so don't go there. You dont have any right to go against the creators of the game on this matter. Their decisions for their world are theirs to make and not yours to judge. It can't be that you play a game to uncover the slips and errors the developers made so that they have to go and patch it up again.
I couldn't care less about how you can run up steep mountains better then me.
good... and?
Get away from the PC more. There's a difference between a game and life. You could use a game to escape from real life (because it mainly sucks), but that's not the point.
One of the reasons i bought world of warcraft is that it promised a big big world. I still enjoy exploring the world, because i haven't been everywhere yet.
Just because there is something to do that isnt beant to be done in a game doesnt meant you have to make the developers invest time in patching things before it leaks out and everyone starts doing it.
Have fun in reading what quests say, what your role in the world is, what problems NPC's have, how it drives you to venture into enemy lands, etcetera. NOT to read the objectives, skim the quest text for the location ('east of somewhere') and go and slaughter the mobs or deliver the item.
If i need to steal a neckless back i'm having fun trying as hard to make it look as if i'm really stealing it. (just an example). That's having fun in a game.
Sigh.. i guess you get the point..
nnonononono...
When I wake up in the morning (since I have no school because of vacation), I begin to play WoW. I play my alt Lock for an hour or two then get bored with the low level quests I've lready completed on one of many other characters. Then, I get on my main (A level 60 Prot specced Warrior) and attempt to make an effort at PvP'ing, even though I know I am good for nothing other than being a meat shield and I accept that. Then, because I'm not one of the hardcore raiders, when there is open space in a guild raid such as MC or BWL, I take it. There really isn't much else to do with my time, when I don't get into the raid, so I go exploring. So, I guess after 1.9 I could spend those hours on my alt leveling him through the countless quests and story lines I've already explored various times, or get on my main and go find a new way into some uncharted teritory.
Rowne - Yatlas is for pussies. :P
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I don't want to lose respect for more addon authors :) Besides I don't see what's to debate, some of us play to explore, some play to be with a friend, some play to be with 40 friends, and some play to kill their friends over and over again... blizzy's just showing preference towards some of their userbase :P
I just get touchy when people who don't know anything about a subject (any subject), stand up and start smack-talking about it. Not because I feel particularly angry but because I feel it lessens the community and I feel embarrased for them. Imagine what would happen if someone, at a distinguished party, stood up and tried to explain how tea, was in fact, made of excrement and not tea leaves and to then proclaim that tea itself was also crap and unsanitory for that reason.
I just wish people would research their core material before even thinking on commenting on something. As it is though, most people won't. Self awareness doesn't come cheap, oh no. It's got a 10 billion gil pricetag on it.
Anyway, to make amends for my words, I've offered something fun in the post below, go and take a look, I do believe it'll be worth your while.
Let me know the second you find a good one, I wanna play with you. I think I'm about done with WoW, but I haven't decided yet.