So I guess noone will mind if I add code to send the target of heals to others in RockComm? With above arguments Cartographer and PitBull are the best addons to put that code in - much better than having one library in Grid, the other one in sRaidFrames and no comm in the default UI.
Actually now that I'm thinking about it, why not add broadcasting how much money you have (including alts) to deal with the "I can't afford to pay repairs/buy flasks", or relaying all chat channels per default? Imagine the possibilities.
This feature has significant pro's and cons (just like everything in life..).
The main problem (imo) with it is that it's yet more needless broadcasting/addon channel spam. The amount and volume of stuff being broadcasted via the addon channel mechanism is pretty crazy nowadays.
This feature has significant pro's and cons (just like everything in life..).
The main problem (imo) with it is that it's yet more needless broadcasting/addon channel spam. The amount and volume of stuff being broadcasted via the addon channel mechanism is pretty crazy nowadays.
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OP: At the end of the day you only really have 2 options. Turn the feature off or remove rock.
Look, there's no working around the fact that it's "on" by default.
Things that are an invasion of privacy even in the limited context of a virtual world should present
an "opt out" clause when loaded or at least come with the default setting at "off".
Addons that would use that functionality to enhance the game in some way
can override the setting (eg. EnhancedLFG).
There was a similar issue with the old comm, transmitting loot_open.
Both functionalities can serve specific needs (weed out combat looters in the first case,
or whatever you can do with other people's talents in the second).
Still it should be a choice, and for it to be a choice it should be apparent.
(hence "opt out" question or default "off").
Many addons ask you to perform initial configuration when first loaded.
If RockComm presented users with a question:
"RockComm can share your talents with other RockComm users. Do you want to enable this option?"
That's choice and no one could complain.
It's another matter that a communication library should strive to be content agnostic.
Specific functionality should be in addons.
as for the needless b/casting.. ive seen the actual addon communication and it's a rather small "One-Liner", comaritively to others that send alot of trash.
By the way and partly unrelated, it would be great if we had a way to find out which addons on the SVN are using a specific library. Not only would it allow you to quickly search for all Ace3 / Rock / ... addons, but also library developers could check which addons are using their library. I've needed this more than once (and I didn't want to download the entire SVN and grep through the root, which is the only (non-recommended) solution I can think of).
...like Rock sending that person's talent information without them knowing about it? :)
(OH SNAP!)
Touche.
Not _really_ the fault of the addon/developer though since last time I checked all the addons that use Rock are beta and only obtainable through this site. And I'm willing to bet everyone that has or will get these addons will be back here to whine about how badly it (read: Rock) "sucks". Meaning they will directly or indirectly find out about this feature and then we'll be here all over again.
When you buy a car you get the whole deal. Sure that bumper looks great, but man does the radio suck ass.
I recall someone talking on irc about how arena teams try to hide their specs at higher levels and just started laughing out loud at that (the only thing they try to hide is when they're queuing). /shrug
Guess there isn't anything important to complain about.
you can get that information from the armory anyways .. maybe the armory information is out of date when you just changed your talents but how often is that the case ...
and is it better if someone relays on out of date information from the armory ?
Not _really_ the fault of the addon/developer though since last time I checked all the addons that use Rock are beta and only obtainable through this site.
I downloaded and checked out the libraries in the most recent version of Cartographer on Curse. A cursory glance at RockComm shows that the talent sending code is present in the version. As an added bonus, the specific version of Cartographer does not have any method of disabling the code.
I wonder why I never read that somebody is concerned that their data is stored in tattle..
and it looks like this mass fetching of data isn't even allowed by blizzard ;9
Personnally i dont care a lot about that talent transmission for my characters, i have nothing to hide. BUT, i just wonder what Blizzard is actually thinking about this feature, because that simply doesnt seem legit.
Its very borderline, imho.
If an addon can start to show this kind of information, who know where it will stop?
Showing bag content, alt, money, or whatever... that doesnt seem right.
Personnally i dont care a lot about that talent transmission for my characters, i have nothing to hide. BUT, i just wonder what Blizzard is actually thinking about this feature, because that simply doesnt seem legit.
Its very borderline, imho.
If an addon can start to show this kind of information, who know where it will stop?
Showing bag content, alt, money, or whatever... that doesnt seem right.
... um... you can do that allready... no alts but money, bag, bank, you name it.. not like it's hard.
but the key aspect with that is that YOU must install the addon. CTRA/oRA2 have been doing this for a while..
me thinks the grip here is that it's in a Framework Core Addon an not as a standalone..
I think any and all transmission should be opt-in. Privacy issues aside, not everyone uses broadband and though one line may not seem like an issue, those one liners add up.
But whatever happened to removing features that didn't need to be in core from core? I thought that was the whole downfall of Ace2 and why Rock / Ace3 etc. were formulated in the first place? Put all these things in a "common communication" addon or something for people who want to broadcast things they might want others to know but aren't readily available by the default API, and then let other addons use that one as a library.
I think any and all transmission should be opt-in. Privacy issues aside, not everyone uses broadband and though one line may not seem like an issue, those one liners add up.
That's my biggest complaint as I'm without broadband and all these things do add up at some point. I live in a rural area where broadband is not available :( I'm glad ckk decided not put in the options to disable this though as I was going to scrap my Fubar plugins rewrite to Rock all together because I didn't want to hear all the grief from friends and guildies.
That's my biggest complaint as I'm without broadband and all these things do add up at some point. I live in a rural area where broadband is not available :( I'm glad ckk decided not put in the options to disable this though as I was going to scrap my Fubar plugins rewrite to Rock all together because I didn't want to hear all the grief from friends and guildies.
To "kill" things like this just make addon that does fake talent announces. They will be not trusted then so have no use. Much better way than Scrooge.
I'm all for privacy but in this particular situation there isn't actually much privacy left to protect. Simply put, modulo some uncertainly, one can alt-tab and web-browse the armory for the same information. I certainly have done this a few times. If it was information that wasn't already made accessibly by Blizzard in some form, I'd see it as a completely different story.
A somewhat more consensual idea would be to make the activation of this come with a popup. Something like 'XYZ has requested your talent build. Would you like to: "Send once" "Send always" "Ignore once" "Ignore Always"?'
I think that'd work rather well, but I don't mind the current setting either tbh. Of course maybe Blizz will in WotLK put lots of Armory-type info in-game anyway, which would moot all this. I wouldn't be surprised.
Certainly knowing someones talent build (even if roughly, like feral or marksman/survival hybrid) is a legitimate concern given the current game tuning for certain content. Yet I love to heal with my shadow priest and collect good gear, but people can inspect if needed and possibly one could make that remotely communicable too ;)
... um... you can do that allready... no alts but money, bag, bank, you name it.. not like it's hard.
yes thats my point...
That feature in a framework looks like an hidden function (yes i know this can be disabled, but, its not by default) and, after all, who care about configuring a framework which is supposed to be silent... in background... (additonnally, to prevent ace/rock war, involved people say that end user should'nt care about the frame framework, only the main addon count, so yes... who care?)
I really love cc knight works, (im using all of his addon in fact), but this is a trust issue.
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Actually now that I'm thinking about it, why not add broadcasting how much money you have (including alts) to deal with the "I can't afford to pay repairs/buy flasks", or relaying all chat channels per default? Imagine the possibilities.
The main problem (imo) with it is that it's yet more needless broadcasting/addon channel spam. The amount and volume of stuff being broadcasted via the addon channel mechanism is pretty crazy nowadays.
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OP: At the end of the day you only really have 2 options. Turn the feature off or remove rock.
Things that are an invasion of privacy even in the limited context of a virtual world should present
an "opt out" clause when loaded or at least come with the default setting at "off".
Addons that would use that functionality to enhance the game in some way
can override the setting (eg. EnhancedLFG).
There was a similar issue with the old comm, transmitting loot_open.
Both functionalities can serve specific needs (weed out combat looters in the first case,
or whatever you can do with other people's talents in the second).
Still it should be a choice, and for it to be a choice it should be apparent.
(hence "opt out" question or default "off").
Many addons ask you to perform initial configuration when first loaded.
If RockComm presented users with a question:
"RockComm can share your talents with other RockComm users. Do you want to enable this option?"
That's choice and no one could complain.
It's another matter that a communication library should strive to be content agnostic.
Specific functionality should be in addons.
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Curse Premiumas for the needless b/casting.. ive seen the actual addon communication and it's a rather small "One-Liner", comaritively to others that send alot of trash.
By the way and partly unrelated, it would be great if we had a way to find out which addons on the SVN are using a specific library. Not only would it allow you to quickly search for all Ace3 / Rock / ... addons, but also library developers could check which addons are using their library. I've needed this more than once (and I didn't want to download the entire SVN and grep through the root, which is the only (non-recommended) solution I can think of).
Touche.
Not _really_ the fault of the addon/developer though since last time I checked all the addons that use Rock are beta and only obtainable through this site. And I'm willing to bet everyone that has or will get these addons will be back here to whine about how badly it (read: Rock) "sucks". Meaning they will directly or indirectly find out about this feature and then we'll be here all over again.
When you buy a car you get the whole deal. Sure that bumper looks great, but man does the radio suck ass.
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Curse PremiumI recall someone talking on irc about how arena teams try to hide their specs at higher levels and just started laughing out loud at that (the only thing they try to hide is when they're queuing). /shrug
Guess there isn't anything important to complain about.
and is it better if someone relays on out of date information from the armory ?
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Curse PremiumI downloaded and checked out the libraries in the most recent version of Cartographer on Curse. A cursory glance at RockComm shows that the talent sending code is present in the version. As an added bonus, the specific version of Cartographer does not have any method of disabling the code.
and it looks like this mass fetching of data isn't even allowed by blizzard ;9
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1016194091&postId=11188717067&sid=1
as I said before... as long as nothing is send what's not public available anyways I don't see any problem with that.
Its very borderline, imho.
If an addon can start to show this kind of information, who know where it will stop?
Showing bag content, alt, money, or whatever... that doesnt seem right.
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Curse Premium... um... you can do that allready... no alts but money, bag, bank, you name it.. not like it's hard.
but the key aspect with that is that YOU must install the addon. CTRA/oRA2 have been doing this for a while..
me thinks the grip here is that it's in a Framework Core Addon an not as a standalone..
But whatever happened to removing features that didn't need to be in core from core? I thought that was the whole downfall of Ace2 and why Rock / Ace3 etc. were formulated in the first place? Put all these things in a "common communication" addon or something for people who want to broadcast things they might want others to know but aren't readily available by the default API, and then let other addons use that one as a library.
That's my biggest complaint as I'm without broadband and all these things do add up at some point. I live in a rural area where broadband is not available :( I'm glad ckk decided not put in the options to disable this though as I was going to scrap my Fubar plugins rewrite to Rock all together because I didn't want to hear all the grief from friends and guildies.
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Curse Premiumhe did put in an option to disable it tho?
And your point? I'm supposed to /cheer and sends lots of praise for something that shouldn't have been enabled by default lol.
A somewhat more consensual idea would be to make the activation of this come with a popup. Something like 'XYZ has requested your talent build. Would you like to: "Send once" "Send always" "Ignore once" "Ignore Always"?'
I think that'd work rather well, but I don't mind the current setting either tbh. Of course maybe Blizz will in WotLK put lots of Armory-type info in-game anyway, which would moot all this. I wouldn't be surprised.
Certainly knowing someones talent build (even if roughly, like feral or marksman/survival hybrid) is a legitimate concern given the current game tuning for certain content. Yet I love to heal with my shadow priest and collect good gear, but people can inspect if needed and possibly one could make that remotely communicable too ;)
yes thats my point...
That feature in a framework looks like an hidden function (yes i know this can be disabled, but, its not by default) and, after all, who care about configuring a framework which is supposed to be silent... in background... (additonnally, to prevent ace/rock war, involved people say that end user should'nt care about the frame framework, only the main addon count, so yes... who care?)
I really love cc knight works, (im using all of his addon in fact), but this is a trust issue.