I never really liked waterfall or the new rock ui (can't see any difference between the two tbh). Apart from the fact that it's hideously ugly I find it much easier to configure most addons via the FuBar dropdown menus. It just feels counterintuitive, especially for FuBar because almost everything there is done with tooltips. When I want to add a new icon to the bar for the purpose of configuring an addon I have to walk through a whole config menu just to enable 1 icon :/
I'm just trying to ask nicely if there could be a way to add dewdrop support? What's so much better about the new configuration window anyway?
I understand that everyone has their preferences. ckk knows that some people want their drop-down menus back. It's been posted on jira (which is the place to put bug reports and requests, btw). Just be patient.
Anyway, right-click on the FuBar where you want the hidden icon to show. RockConfig automagically opens to the options for that specific FuBar. On the right side is a pull-down menu. Check/uncheck the modules. It really is as simple as Orion says. It looks different, but it takes the *same* amount of time.
right click on bar
click drop down menu
select addon to put on bar
close window
--thats difficult? O.O
wow.....
I do honestly feel using the GUI is a bit one-sided. Though some addons like Parrot benefit more from a GUI configuration there are many that benefit more from a Dewdrop-type configuration. I do agree Ckk should have integrated both options into Rock, and I'd still like that to be done.
IMO, PitBull and Parrot need a GUI configuration (and that needs to be improved further) and everything else will run smoother on Dewdrop, such as FuBar and its plugins. The optimal configuration type depends on the addons and its configuration structure and favoring one doesn't help anyone.
Orionshock. Walk away from the computer. Take a deep breath. Have a nice soothing cup of tea. And please try to play nice with the noobs; remember there are a lot of them out there who:
a) Don't like change (and this change came on pretty suddenly and without warning), and
b) Just need to be pointed in the right direction for information.
I know your patience is wearing thin, but some people just want their UIs to work and not have to go through these teething issues (especially when things seemed to be working so well ... and then they turned to custard). This is the reason I have got the Rock addons on "ignore" in WAU until the dust settles.
I really like the new config menu. I am especially fond of having all addons in a list. I used to do that with a a dewdrop fubar mod, but it was waaaay oversized. Having a tree structure with little symbols really helps for keeping a good oversight. Only thing I have to do in futere hopefully will be to type in /rock and then i can start clicking on and on to configure stuff ;-)
I'd be ok if ckk says he doesn't like the DewDrop hence his addons will only use GUI.
His choice, tbh.
I personally rate DewDrop > Waterfall, too - but not my choice in the end. :)
One thing I'd like to add though:
The Waterfall stuff is always centered - that looks pretty weird. What you could do is have the checkboxes first, left-aligned, followed by their description.
Mmm, well I am in the process of making AutoBar be waterfall config based. Dewdrop suffices for some option settings but the complete package is too complex to do with a mere dropdown that disapears at the drop of a hat.
On the other hand I would hate to have to open a gui each time I have to adjust grid between various group sizes tho so this is a vote for having dropdown support as well.
When I get a config window everytime I rightclick FuBar just feels wrong. Ofcourse a dropdown menu isn't always better for a lot of addons, but it would be great as an added feature and people could decide for themselves what to use. Right now the rock config was an (afaik) unrequested feature and it would be polite to the community to keep the old functionality intact.
Hi. My name's Seerah. Welcome to the forums. Feel free to take a look around and read to your heart's content. :)
Rock isn't a feature. It's an addon framework. FuBar, etc are no longer written on the Ace2 framework, they are now written on the Rock framework.
Hi. My name is VuBce. Feel free to read this thread again to your heart's content. :)
I'm well aware what rock is, I was just talking about the configuration ui that changed.
Sure it's ok if a developer decides to change frameworks, but in this case it did change the config ui along with it and I'm just requesting to maybe have my old way of configuring addons back. I was only trying to point out that there was no big scream of the community here to change the way of configuration. There might have been a good reason to change it, but all I see are a bunch of people like me around these forums that just aren't satisfied with it at the moment.
Nice to meet you, VuBce. I admit that I perhaps only skimmed over this thread, as I'm getting tired of reading the same things over again... But many people are confusing Rock for just the config panel, and think that it's just a change in features.
Anyway, it's been out for 3.5 days. And, while it may not seem like it sometimes, ckk (like all authors here) has a life besides drilling out code.
I was only trying to point out that there was no big scream of the community here to change the way of configuration.
Does there need to be? There was no big scream of the community for a new framework, either. Well... Yeah, Ace2 has issues. But still. It's ckk's addon to do with as he sees fit. He takes all user feedback, provided it's given in the proper channels (ie, jira), and does with that as he sees fit. People just need to be patient, use jira, and either revert or wait (patiently).
Configuring Pitbull (or other complex addons) before rock/Niagara/waterfall drilled down through five different levels, need to change three options, change one and the whole thing vanishes...
*hides bald spots*
Dewdrop and drop down menus are great if all you need to change are one of two things. But when trying to configure extremely complex addons they just don't make it easy for most people. Hell I prefer command line to drop down, in any software (I don't even like windows start menu, I use icons always).
Orionshock. Walk away from the computer. Take a deep breath. Have a nice soothing cup of tea. And please try to play nice with the noobs; remember there are a lot of them out there who:
a) Don't like change (and this change came on pretty suddenly and without warning), and
b) Just need to be pointed in the right direction for information.
I know your patience is wearing thin, but some people just want their UIs to work and not have to go through these teething issues (especially when things seemed to be working so well ... and then they turned to custard). This is the reason I have got the Rock addons on "ignore" in WAU until the dust settles.
Peace.
I'm currently drinking tea and I don't consider my self a noob when it comes to addons, which I belive a couple of people will agree on. I have no problem with the new way to configure addons the "Rock" way, allthough I do find it to be less effective.
I can understand why "ckknight" wants his own framework, which leads to the fact that a new configurations tool has to be written and used.
However I've allways hated to configure my addons this way, but since I had the option to not do so before I had no problems with it. Now I'm stuck with it if I want to use an "Rock" addon.
I consider "ckknight" to be one of the leading addon developers, but I can't understand why he neglected the people wanting to configure another way then this when launching "Rock".
I consider "ckknight" to be one of the leading addon developers, but I can't understand why he neglected the people wanting to configure another way then this when launching "Rock".
It probably comes down to the Software Engineering three-way fight. Time versus Money versus Quality. As ckk codes his addon for free as a hobby, Money = 0. So, something has to balance that out, Time goes up if Quality remains constant. Now, ckk is an excellent programmer in my opinion, and he values the quality of his code, so he tried to keep that high with Rock. Which would mean the time factor explodes upward. So, rather than leave everything in a state of limbo until he finished Rock, he released what is a working version, although not fully featured (perhaps).
So, just give some more time and Rock will be up to the standards everyone wants.
I'm just trying to ask nicely if there could be a way to add dewdrop support? What's so much better about the new configuration window anyway?
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Curse PremiumAnyway, right-click on the FuBar where you want the hidden icon to show. RockConfig automagically opens to the options for that specific FuBar. On the right side is a pull-down menu. Check/uncheck the modules. It really is as simple as Orion says. It looks different, but it takes the *same* amount of time.
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Curse PremiumI do honestly feel using the GUI is a bit one-sided. Though some addons like Parrot benefit more from a GUI configuration there are many that benefit more from a Dewdrop-type configuration. I do agree Ckk should have integrated both options into Rock, and I'd still like that to be done.
IMO, PitBull and Parrot need a GUI configuration (and that needs to be improved further) and everything else will run smoother on Dewdrop, such as FuBar and its plugins. The optimal configuration type depends on the addons and its configuration structure and favoring one doesn't help anyone.
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Curse PremiumOrionshock. Walk away from the computer. Take a deep breath. Have a nice soothing cup of tea. And please try to play nice with the noobs; remember there are a lot of them out there who:
a) Don't like change (and this change came on pretty suddenly and without warning), and
b) Just need to be pointed in the right direction for information.
I know your patience is wearing thin, but some people just want their UIs to work and not have to go through these teething issues (especially when things seemed to be working so well ... and then they turned to custard). This is the reason I have got the Rock addons on "ignore" in WAU until the dust settles.
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I really like the new config menu. I am especially fond of having all addons in a list. I used to do that with a a dewdrop fubar mod, but it was waaaay oversized. Having a tree structure with little symbols really helps for keeping a good oversight. Only thing I have to do in futere hopefully will be to type in /rock and then i can start clicking on and on to configure stuff ;-)
His choice, tbh.
I personally rate DewDrop > Waterfall, too - but not my choice in the end. :)
One thing I'd like to add though:
The Waterfall stuff is always centered - that looks pretty weird. What you could do is have the checkboxes first, left-aligned, followed by their description.
On the other hand I would hate to have to open a gui each time I have to adjust grid between various group sizes tho so this is a vote for having dropdown support as well.
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Rock isn't a feature. It's an addon framework. FuBar, etc are no longer written on the Ace2 framework, they are now written on the Rock framework.
Hi. My name is VuBce. Feel free to read this thread again to your heart's content. :)
I'm well aware what rock is, I was just talking about the configuration ui that changed.
Sure it's ok if a developer decides to change frameworks, but in this case it did change the config ui along with it and I'm just requesting to maybe have my old way of configuring addons back. I was only trying to point out that there was no big scream of the community here to change the way of configuration. There might have been a good reason to change it, but all I see are a bunch of people like me around these forums that just aren't satisfied with it at the moment.
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Curse PremiumAnyway, it's been out for 3.5 days. And, while it may not seem like it sometimes, ckk (like all authors here) has a life besides drilling out code.
Does there need to be? There was no big scream of the community for a new framework, either. Well... Yeah, Ace2 has issues. But still. It's ckk's addon to do with as he sees fit. He takes all user feedback, provided it's given in the proper channels (ie, jira), and does with that as he sees fit. People just need to be patient, use jira, and either revert or wait (patiently).
My absolute pet hate with dewdrop drop down...
Configuring Pitbull (or other complex addons) before rock/Niagara/waterfall drilled down through five different levels, need to change three options, change one and the whole thing vanishes...
*hides bald spots*
Dewdrop and drop down menus are great if all you need to change are one of two things. But when trying to configure extremely complex addons they just don't make it easy for most people. Hell I prefer command line to drop down, in any software (I don't even like windows start menu, I use icons always).
I'm currently drinking tea and I don't consider my self a noob when it comes to addons, which I belive a couple of people will agree on. I have no problem with the new way to configure addons the "Rock" way, allthough I do find it to be less effective.
I can understand why "ckknight" wants his own framework, which leads to the fact that a new configurations tool has to be written and used.
However I've allways hated to configure my addons this way, but since I had the option to not do so before I had no problems with it. Now I'm stuck with it if I want to use an "Rock" addon.
I consider "ckknight" to be one of the leading addon developers, but I can't understand why he neglected the people wanting to configure another way then this when launching "Rock".
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Curse PremiumIt probably comes down to the Software Engineering three-way fight. Time versus Money versus Quality. As ckk codes his addon for free as a hobby, Money = 0. So, something has to balance that out, Time goes up if Quality remains constant. Now, ckk is an excellent programmer in my opinion, and he values the quality of his code, so he tried to keep that high with Rock. Which would mean the time factor explodes upward. So, rather than leave everything in a state of limbo until he finished Rock, he released what is a working version, although not fully featured (perhaps).
So, just give some more time and Rock will be up to the standards everyone wants.
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Curse PremiumThanks! :) Now.. convince my Software Development teacher that this should count as part of my term project. :P