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I'd like to see Rock and Dongle addon discussions on these forums in their own categories. I mean the authors of these frameworks are former Ace2 framework coders correct? Why not keep everything available in one place? I don't care if Ace is in the framework name or not, it still uses similar design philosophies.
You will absolutely under no circumstances see Dongle discussed on these forums. Dongle is not part of the framework mix. I'm not recruiting authors, I don't want to convince a single person to use my framework.
Addon users should not care one flipping bit what framework they're using. Ace may live by its branding, but the authors that choose to use Dongle know full well that advertising they use Dongle is a bad thing. They understand what that means.
I was offered a forum here, and I refused. We already have a forum, and an IRC channel. There is no reason dongle needs to have any tie to wowace, in the least. Use my addons because they do what you need them to do, not because they're written with a given framework.
If I may chime in, I believe splitting addons on these forums based on the framework they use is a bad idea. I feel the same attitudes that sparked the whole Ace2 fanboism movement are perpetrated. I see why such a split makes sense from developers point of view, but there are a lot of normal users lurking on these forums and what they see is "Ace2 Addons", "Framework Free/Other Addons", which might possibly split in the future into "Rock Addons", "Ace3 Addons", etc.
There are already too many posts about Ace3/Rock/Dongle, splitting the addons forum into framework-based sections would only raise the count and morph the Ace2 fanbois into Rock fanbois, Ace3 fanbois, etc. Which one may argue it's inevitable, however it would be discouraged (one can only hope).
Having the developers forum split into various frameworks, libraries, etc. makes perfect sense, I just argue that the addons forum should be free of that, and the subsections based on the purpose of addons, like the raid, unit frames, and other sections right now.
If the intention is to draw a line between Ace2 addons and the others, then I'd rather have the word "framework" stripped from the title, in my opinion it only leads to unnecessary questions and interpretations.
I don't mean to undermine the efforts made by admins to present everything in a better format, and I definitely don't want to add to the drama and whine caused by Ace3 vs. Rock, Rock minimap button, and various things authors are "obligated" to do, so please take this as constructive criticism.
A silly solution that might be too much work for little gain... but here I go.
There are three sections to the forums, General, Addons, and Developer Corner. Maybe what we need is some sort of tagging for the members. If you apply to membership on the forum you are granted access to General and Addons. Then you can apply for Developer access, which as the name suggests gives you access to the Developer Corner.
I am not trying to be elitist in an way here, but I do think that some times people read things in the Dev Corner not understanding completely because they aren't a Dev, and they make assumptions based on that. Limiting access to the Dev Corner would mean that only the developers, who need the info here would have access. It might save us from some of the uninformed fanboy statements.
There are three sections to the forums, General, Addons, and Developer Corner. Maybe what we need is some sort of tagging for the members. If you apply to membership on the forum you are granted access to General and Addons. Then you can apply for Developer access, which as the name suggests gives you access to the Developer Corner.
how bout a half way point -- same idea but regular users cannot post in the Dev forum. if they are interested they can read first, educate them selfs then open their mouth.
We are an open community, we are not going to "block" users from the "developer" conversations (sorry honey, the adults are having a conversation here, why don't you go in the livingroom and watch Lion King with the other kids?). We are also not going to encourage segregation of the community based on the libraries used in addons, Rock addon users can drink out of the same fountain as the rest of us.
We are an open community, we are not going to "block" users from the "developer" conversations (sorry honey, the adults are having a conversation here, why don't you go in the livingroom and watch Lion King with the other kids?). We are also not going to encourage segregation of the community based on the libraries used in addons, Rock addon users can drink out of the same fountain as the rest of us.
true.. but some people you look at their post count and you want to just beat them with a clue-by-4 and fore them to read threads and wiki till their eyes bleed that way they can ask an educated question in the dev corner. meh ... lesser of 2 evils i guess.
true.. but some people you look at their post count and you want to just beat them with a clue-by-4 and fore them to read threads and wiki till their eyes bleed that way they can ask an educated question in the dev corner. meh ... lesser of 2 evils i guess.
True, some people just make your eyes bleed and cause you to pull out your own hair, but everyone starts somewhere. I didn't post for the first 2 months I was a member here because you all scared the shit out of me. (Especially you OrionShock :P ) And I didn't actually start developing for awhile, but I did read alot in the Dev corner, which finally got me fixing other addons then writing my own. So an open community has enormous benefits that hopefully outweigh the downside of noobish posts.
*Lends Funky his Grammar-Stick 5000 from the EJ forums*
I didn't post for the first 2 months I was a member here because you all scared the shit out of me. (Especially you OrionShock :P )
not really sorry for that :\ ... im an ass, i do CSR as a job... so i don't like stupid people who won't help them selfs first. i expect that of myself, to find the answer to my question on my own and then ask if i don't find anything. I expect it of others, and when they fail they get marked with a stupid sticker.
it's harsh but real..
**prepars to parry the gramer stick Starinnia gave Funkydude**
true.. but some people you look at their post count and you want to just beat them with a clue-by-4 and fore them to read threads and wiki till their eyes bleed that way they can ask an educated question in the dev corner. meh ... lesser of 2 evils i guess.
This is a forum, you will always have those types in a forum, it's the fundamental law of the interwebs.
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I didn't post for the first 2 months I was a member here because you all scared the shit out of me. (Especially you OrionShock :P ) [/color]
You are the kind of user I like. I hate the ones that show up and start looking like a clueless noob on their first post. Lurk around, get a feel for the place before you stand up and say "My name is Starinnia, and I'm an alcoholic."
So will there be a new subforum for Ace3 releases? All this talk about trying to get rid of framework bias yet we still have an Ace2 release section and an "everything else" section.
Even though it was planned for a later date, maybe you should already collapse the two addons forums into one called "Addons" with the appropriate sub-forums.
Ace2 addons didn't suddenly get bad because there's Rock under the table and Ace3 on the horizon.
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Addon users should not care one flipping bit what framework they're using. Ace may live by its branding, but the authors that choose to use Dongle know full well that advertising they use Dongle is a bad thing. They understand what that means.
I was offered a forum here, and I refused. We already have a forum, and an IRC channel. There is no reason dongle needs to have any tie to wowace, in the least. Use my addons because they do what you need them to do, not because they're written with a given framework.
Nah, I read the forums too.. *shrug*
If I may chime in, I believe splitting addons on these forums based on the framework they use is a bad idea. I feel the same attitudes that sparked the whole Ace2 fanboism movement are perpetrated. I see why such a split makes sense from developers point of view, but there are a lot of normal users lurking on these forums and what they see is "Ace2 Addons", "Framework Free/Other Addons", which might possibly split in the future into "Rock Addons", "Ace3 Addons", etc.
There are already too many posts about Ace3/Rock/Dongle, splitting the addons forum into framework-based sections would only raise the count and morph the Ace2 fanbois into Rock fanbois, Ace3 fanbois, etc. Which one may argue it's inevitable, however it would be discouraged (one can only hope).
Having the developers forum split into various frameworks, libraries, etc. makes perfect sense, I just argue that the addons forum should be free of that, and the subsections based on the purpose of addons, like the raid, unit frames, and other sections right now.
If the intention is to draw a line between Ace2 addons and the others, then I'd rather have the word "framework" stripped from the title, in my opinion it only leads to unnecessary questions and interpretations.
I don't mean to undermine the efforts made by admins to present everything in a better format, and I definitely don't want to add to the drama and whine caused by Ace3 vs. Rock, Rock minimap button, and various things authors are "obligated" to do, so please take this as constructive criticism.
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Curse PremiumThere are three sections to the forums, General, Addons, and Developer Corner. Maybe what we need is some sort of tagging for the members. If you apply to membership on the forum you are granted access to General and Addons. Then you can apply for Developer access, which as the name suggests gives you access to the Developer Corner.
I am not trying to be elitist in an way here, but I do think that some times people read things in the Dev Corner not understanding completely because they aren't a Dev, and they make assumptions based on that. Limiting access to the Dev Corner would mean that only the developers, who need the info here would have access. It might save us from some of the uninformed fanboy statements.
I dunno.. random thinking between my classes....
You can't make a clear separation between user and developer, after all alot of users (including me) became developers.
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Curse PremiumAnd I'm in the process (God help us all).
while (1) { fork(); }
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User = someone who wants an addon to work and doesn't care
Developer = someone who actually knows how an addon works
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Curse Premiumhow bout a half way point -- same idea but regular users cannot post in the Dev forum. if they are interested they can read first, educate them selfs then open their mouth.
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Curse Premiumtrue.. but some people you look at their post count and you want to just beat them with a clue-by-4 and fore them to read threads and wiki till their eyes bleed that way they can ask an educated question in the dev corner. meh ... lesser of 2 evils i guess.
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Curse PremiumTrue, some people just make your eyes bleed and cause you to pull out your own hair, but everyone starts somewhere. I didn't post for the first 2 months I was a member here because you all scared the shit out of me. (Especially you OrionShock :P ) And I didn't actually start developing for awhile, but I did read alot in the Dev corner, which finally got me fixing other addons then writing my own. So an open community has enormous benefits that hopefully outweigh the downside of noobish posts.
*Lends Funky his Grammar-Stick 5000 from the EJ forums*
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Curse Premiumif i say yes will you be nice about it :D
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Curse Premiumnot really sorry for that :\ ... im an ass, i do CSR as a job... so i don't like stupid people who won't help them selfs first. i expect that of myself, to find the answer to my question on my own and then ask if i don't find anything. I expect it of others, and when they fail they get marked with a stupid sticker.
it's harsh but real..
**prepars to parry the gramer stick Starinnia gave Funkydude**
This is a forum, you will always have those types in a forum, it's the fundamental law of the interwebs.
You are the kind of user I like. I hate the ones that show up and start looking like a clueless noob on their first post. Lurk around, get a feel for the place before you stand up and say "My name is Starinnia, and I'm an alcoholic."
Ace2 addons didn't suddenly get bad because there's Rock under the table and Ace3 on the horizon.