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Thnx Dridzt for the suggestions, though I don't think any of those will offer what I would like. I don't want an AddOn that will scan my inventory or bank etc for available armour/weapons, but one that will search a database of available in-game possibilities, then give me the best options.
It has dawned on me that I have GearScore installed, that could be used to check other players loadouts and give me an idea of what to try. The only problem with GearScore is that it only scans into it's database players of lvl80, it does have a config option to set a minimum lvl to be stored but it doesn't seem to work (it doesn't save the value you enter)
You can try WoWEquip (http://www.wowace.com/addons/wowequip/). It doesn't automatically give you any options or even try to determine upgrades, but they let you see differences in stats when trying on different gear.
I don't want an AddOn that will scan my inventory or bank etc for available armour/weapons, but one that will search a database of available in-game possibilities, then give me the best options.
Not viable, or it likely would have been done already. Would use an obscene amount of memory for that database as well as keeping it updated, etc.. Although if you limited it to PeriodicTable-3.1 data tables, might not be as bad. Anyway...
Most all of those linked you can get tooltip info from. Then look up an item in AtlasLoot Enhanced (or similar) and compare the tooltip values. Write those values down, then look at a different item, etc.. Other ones of that type that works very well: GearGauge & WeightsWatcher. Out of those Dridzt listed, I'd caution against Athene's Upgrade Estimator. Its been about the most persistently full-of-bugs mod I've ever tried.
Other options include looking at the Wow Armory, which will give you a list of "upgrades" for each item slot (not necessarily optimal, though). Wowhead's Item Comparison tool. And probably my favorite: Rawr.
Rawr (an outside-of-WoW program) will accurately give you "best" upgrades for each item slot dependent on your spec, your other gear and so on. It takes far more data into account than any of the existing in-game addons and also provides the "lists of upgrades" functionality you are looking for.
I've kind of come to the conclusion the best I could do is try to get GearScore to store other than lvl80 stats and gear details, I'm lvl53 (only been playing since January) and just want an idea as to what other lvl50-60 players are kitted out in, might even be fun trying some combinations of gear that I could find.
I've kind of come to the conclusion the best I could do is try to get GearScore to store other than lvl80 stats and gear details, I'm lvl53 (only been playing since January) and just want an idea as to what other lvl50-60 players are kitted out in, might even be fun trying some combinations of gear that I could find.
Thanks Again
Andrew
Np np. Didn't know what level you were...heh. Yes, Rawr provides full lists of slot upgrades only for level 80 gear. Without question, its the ticket for determining what's the best upgrade route then. But not prior ;). About your only option for that sort of info prior to 80 is the WoW Armory. Find your character, then click the pullouts next to each slot ("Find an upgrade") to see what is best.
Before level 80...seriously don't worry about it. Use quest reward gear, level up and worry about gear at 80. If you want to see if the quest reward gear you get is better than what you are currently using (or that 2g piece in the AH, or a profession-made piece), use one of the tooltip-info mods mentioned and press SHIFT for comparison tooltips.
In terms of seeing how you compare with others your level (not important, but whatever floats your boat), a better option than GearScore IMO: GearGauge.
Rawr looks great....very complicated though and will take some figuring out ;P and seems to show me gear options that are far beyond my lvl.
Great fun though!!
AJ
Rawr's optimization is only accurate for mages though, due to the accurate internal modeling of casting rotations, a few hundred different proc effects, latency and stuff. For almost every other class, spreadsheets are generally still more accurate than Rawr.
i modified my local copy of wowequip to link into pawn and provide gear scores for each item (sorted by highest first). pawn just changed tho, so it's broken now until i get in and plug into the right tables/functions again.
tho i think i'll take a loot at topfit now, which seems to do what i was hoping to with my hack.
Rawr's optimization is only accurate for mages though, due to the accurate internal modeling of casting rotations, a few hundred different proc effects, latency and stuff. For almost every other class, spreadsheets are generally still more accurate than Rawr.
Is that still the case in the latest versions, though? Every version (and they are released frequently) generally has updates done to various class/spec models.
I know historically some classes (i.e. mages, as you mention) have had more work put into them/have had more accurate modeling than some other classes/specs (i.e. warlocks & hunters). And yes, for some classes, there are ultimately more "accurate" tools (more limited-feature spreadsheet models, the hard-to-use Simulationcraft for shadow priests and so on, etc.).
But for many classes/specs, haven't seen a lot that allows you to quickly judge relatively accurate item/gem/enchant upgrades as well.
Thanks Zidomo, Rawr does work for paladins and using it is fun but not what I need. Will tryout GearGauge.
You're probably right and I shouldn't worry about gear at the moment, but I'm so damned impatient, and really wanna look my best in some kewl gear :cool:
I'll try not to place to much importance on the issue for now and just try and race my way to lvl80.
Thanks one and all for you contributions to this thread:D
b) If you bother, read about the specific class, spec you are interested in to understand, how and why programs come to the conclusion, algorythm they work.
http://elitistjerks.com/ is one way to start - though again this will focus on high end raiding.
While leveling an idea Int > SP > ... or Str > Agi or AP > Agi > Str might give you faster answers and at this stage it's not really gear that decides but getting to know your abilities and using them right.
E.g. while being in a group as a healing capable dps (retadin, shadow, enhancement shaman) and being aware that the healer getting trouble, or even dead, dying and being able to drop what you learned and being able to help by healing, stunning, fearing, ... and preventing a wipe is much more valuable than having optimized gear and letting the group wipe.
Yes in high-end gaming it might be valuable, _after_ having maximized all other options to focus on gear to get the last % out of your character. But yet i feel the emphasis on gear (and spec) is way beyond it's actual worth.
'Hey what are you talking to me, i am a shadow priest, i cannot heal'...
Underbog might hold the ultimate weapon upgrade for you. But is it worth running the instance 20 times - while leveling up to 70 to get it ? No.
Item quality, item level, basic understanding about which stats help your class to full fill your role should suffice until you have played your share and know your class inside out and know when to use the long, short cooldown abilities. As paladin e.g. Bubbling the healer with aggro - and not the tank.
my 5 cents.
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It has dawned on me that I have GearScore installed, that could be used to check other players loadouts and give me an idea of what to try. The only problem with GearScore is that it only scans into it's database players of lvl80, it does have a config option to set a minimum lvl to be stored but it doesn't seem to work (it doesn't save the value you enter)
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Curse PremiumNot viable, or it likely would have been done already. Would use an obscene amount of memory for that database as well as keeping it updated, etc.. Although if you limited it to PeriodicTable-3.1 data tables, might not be as bad. Anyway...
Most all of those linked you can get tooltip info from. Then look up an item in AtlasLoot Enhanced (or similar) and compare the tooltip values. Write those values down, then look at a different item, etc.. Other ones of that type that works very well: GearGauge & WeightsWatcher. Out of those Dridzt listed, I'd caution against Athene's Upgrade Estimator. Its been about the most persistently full-of-bugs mod I've ever tried.
Other options include looking at the Wow Armory, which will give you a list of "upgrades" for each item slot (not necessarily optimal, though). Wowhead's Item Comparison tool. And probably my favorite: Rawr.
Rawr (an outside-of-WoW program) will accurately give you "best" upgrades for each item slot dependent on your spec, your other gear and so on. It takes far more data into account than any of the existing in-game addons and also provides the "lists of upgrades" functionality you are looking for.
I've kind of come to the conclusion the best I could do is try to get GearScore to store other than lvl80 stats and gear details, I'm lvl53 (only been playing since January) and just want an idea as to what other lvl50-60 players are kitted out in, might even be fun trying some combinations of gear that I could find.
Thanks Again
Andrew
Great fun though!!
AJ
Np np. Didn't know what level you were...heh. Yes, Rawr provides full lists of slot upgrades only for level 80 gear. Without question, its the ticket for determining what's the best upgrade route then. But not prior ;). About your only option for that sort of info prior to 80 is the WoW Armory. Find your character, then click the pullouts next to each slot ("Find an upgrade") to see what is best.
Before level 80...seriously don't worry about it. Use quest reward gear, level up and worry about gear at 80. If you want to see if the quest reward gear you get is better than what you are currently using (or that 2g piece in the AH, or a profession-made piece), use one of the tooltip-info mods mentioned and press SHIFT for comparison tooltips.
In terms of seeing how you compare with others your level (not important, but whatever floats your boat), a better option than GearScore IMO: GearGauge.
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Curse PremiumRawr's optimization is only accurate for mages though, due to the accurate internal modeling of casting rotations, a few hundred different proc effects, latency and stuff. For almost every other class, spreadsheets are generally still more accurate than Rawr.
tho i think i'll take a loot at topfit now, which seems to do what i was hoping to with my hack.
Is that still the case in the latest versions, though? Every version (and they are released frequently) generally has updates done to various class/spec models.
I know historically some classes (i.e. mages, as you mention) have had more work put into them/have had more accurate modeling than some other classes/specs (i.e. warlocks & hunters). And yes, for some classes, there are ultimately more "accurate" tools (more limited-feature spreadsheet models, the hard-to-use Simulationcraft for shadow priests and so on, etc.).
But for many classes/specs, haven't seen a lot that allows you to quickly judge relatively accurate item/gem/enchant upgrades as well.
You're probably right and I shouldn't worry about gear at the moment, but I'm so damned impatient, and really wanna look my best in some kewl gear :cool:
I'll try not to place to much importance on the issue for now and just try and race my way to lvl80.
Thanks one and all for you contributions to this thread:D
a) Don't bother.
b) If you bother, read about the specific class, spec you are interested in to understand, how and why programs come to the conclusion, algorythm they work.
http://elitistjerks.com/ is one way to start - though again this will focus on high end raiding.
For a less in-depth introduction try http://www.wowwiki.com/Class.
While leveling an idea Int > SP > ... or Str > Agi or AP > Agi > Str might give you faster answers and at this stage it's not really gear that decides but getting to know your abilities and using them right.
E.g. while being in a group as a healing capable dps (retadin, shadow, enhancement shaman) and being aware that the healer getting trouble, or even dead, dying and being able to drop what you learned and being able to help by healing, stunning, fearing, ... and preventing a wipe is much more valuable than having optimized gear and letting the group wipe.
Yes in high-end gaming it might be valuable, _after_ having maximized all other options to focus on gear to get the last % out of your character. But yet i feel the emphasis on gear (and spec) is way beyond it's actual worth.
'Hey what are you talking to me, i am a shadow priest, i cannot heal'...
Underbog might hold the ultimate weapon upgrade for you. But is it worth running the instance 20 times - while leveling up to 70 to get it ? No.
Item quality, item level, basic understanding about which stats help your class to full fill your role should suffice until you have played your share and know your class inside out and know when to use the long, short cooldown abilities. As paladin e.g. Bubbling the healer with aggro - and not the tank.
my 5 cents.