bump!!! I still think the secure frames will prevent click-targetting, but this would be very useful even if you couldn't use it to target. I hope a developer picks it up, or, at the very least, comment on the feasibility.
bump!!! I still think the secure frames will prevent click-targetting, but this would be very useful even if you couldn't use it to target. I hope a developer picks it up, or, at the very least, comment on the feasibility.
Yeah. It seems developer interest in the concept was lost when 2.0 came out and added secure frames etc., but I also believe that it's a useful concept even without targeting abilities.
Clickable targets would be secondary but a nice bonus.
But what i really miss now is a nice customizable frame to show unit name, HP, how many are targeting, CC status, raid icon and simmilar of all targets currently engaged in combat by your grp/raid.
Having the full array of textures/fonts from sharedmedia and the flexible textoutputs of dogtags would be awsome
The mob is considered picked up when:
- it becomes crowd-controlled again
- a plate-wearer or an MT (as identified by MT list) is highest on its threat list (are there other better ways to indicate that it is targeting a 'survivable' player versus running around two-shotting healers and DPS?)
- it is the last remaining unkilled mob (just as there is no further point to calling it out)
I noticed in another thread (MoBuffs : http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11869.0) that Pach has thought of a simple and reliable way to check that a player is a 'tank'. He is simply looking for one of the following to be true :
- is in Defensive Stance, in Bear Form, or has Righteous Fury up
Very smart. (Though I also like a name match in the MT list, just because it's explicit.)
I know for ceratin that proximo and proximo2 can build clickable targets on the fly as long as your are not in combat when the list is built. If you are in combat, then the frame is built, but you can not click it to target it.
This is a mod that many raiders/groups could use. I hope it gets made :-)
I know for ceratin that proximo and proximo2 can build clickable targets on the fly as long as your are not in combat when the list is built. If you are in combat, then the frame is built, but you can not click it to target it.
This is a mod that many raiders/groups could use. I hope it gets made :-)
In PvP all targets are guaranteed to be uniquely identifiable. In PvE, you can have multiple targets that can not be told apart.
To go in more detail, Arena Target unit frames basically work by making them an on-click "/target [name]" macro, this wouldn't work in PvE because at times you'll have multiple mobs with the same name. You also can't rely on UnitIDs because you can't guarantee you'll be able to keep targeting an NPC through the same UnitID.
Nice explanation! It would suffer from the same issue that Omen suffers from when you have multiple mobs with the same name.
Even without the click targetting, this mod would be extremely useful. As the raid leader i can get an overview of the targets being fought, the health of those targets and the number of people targetting the targets.
I'll be working on an addon like this. It'll tie into MagicMarker. It won't actually NEED MagicMarker but will listen in on the communcation to build a list of marked mobs as they are tagged. I'll be 2.4 only for a couple of reasons - easy combat log stuff and unique guids from a coding point of view but also because it won't likely be ready before it's out.
I like the general idea of the mockup. Unfortunately though you can't make the bars active (click to target) with secure templates so it'd be an informational display only (It's only doable if Blizzard adds a way to target by GUID although targeting by name might have value - especially on fights like Moroes where you have 5 set mobs). I believe you can make a button with a macro that does /targetexact Mob Name although I haven't tested it.
As a note the benefit you'd get from the MagicMarker synergy would for example be:
- Mobs ordered in a logical fashion.
- Desired CC method can be listed on the bar (i.e the CC method assigned by MagicMarker)
- List of targets built as mobs are marked and they don't actually have to be targeted by the raid to show up.
Of course without it you'd still be able to get things like:
- List of mobs and current activity (tanked, CC'd or running wild)
- All mobs engaged by the raid (rather, targeted by the raid)
- "Target focused" indicator (mouse-over to see who's focusing it perhaps)
That has already been mentioned in this thread - Proximo can do it because player names are unique. You can set a macro "/target <player name>" to a secure template button when out of combat. It won't work in-combat.
A PvE version can also do "/target unit name" but since names aren't unique, it won't always work. It WILL work in fights like Moroes where the names are unique however.
What about those new MobID's i've been hearing about?
Also, wouldn't it be possible to generate a "Target list" (a list of all mobs with a raidicon) as the mobs get marked by the raidleader/assister?
Imho, such an addon would have a great potential, especially for large trash-groups as we find them in the new Sunwell25.
GUID's can be used to uniquely identify mobs and to get the mob ID (i.e the ID you see on sites like wowhead). They cannot be used for targeting purposes.
GUID's can be used to uniquely identify mobs and to get the mob ID (i.e the ID you see on sites like wowhead). They cannot be used for targeting purposes.
Yes, but as has been frequently mentioned in this thread so far, targeting features are not required for the concept to be useful.
Right. I want this addon myself. However it's taken a backseat to a couple of other new projects - I'm working on a kalecgos addon for my guild and also a replacement for CT_RaidTracker (all of this is driven by a personal need of course), but this type of addon was always I something I planned as an extra feature for magic marker (and it will happen, just give me some time :)
Yeah. It seems developer interest in the concept was lost when 2.0 came out and added secure frames etc., but I also believe that it's a useful concept even without targeting abilities.
But what i really miss now is a nice customizable frame to show unit name, HP, how many are targeting, CC status, raid icon and simmilar of all targets currently engaged in combat by your grp/raid.
Having the full array of textures/fonts from sharedmedia and the flexible textoutputs of dogtags would be awsome
I noticed in another thread (MoBuffs : http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11869.0) that Pach has thought of a simple and reliable way to check that a player is a 'tank'. He is simply looking for one of the following to be true :
- is in Defensive Stance, in Bear Form, or has Righteous Fury up
Very smart. (Though I also like a name match in the MT list, just because it's explicit.)
This is a mod that many raiders/groups could use. I hope it gets made :-)
To go in more detail, Arena Target unit frames basically work by making them an on-click "/target [name]" macro, this wouldn't work in PvE because at times you'll have multiple mobs with the same name. You also can't rely on UnitIDs because you can't guarantee you'll be able to keep targeting an NPC through the same UnitID.
Even without the click targetting, this mod would be extremely useful. As the raid leader i can get an overview of the targets being fought, the health of those targets and the number of people targetting the targets.
No, we explicitly can't do that. However, 2.4 will bring unique IDs to all mobs as well, so it might be doable then.
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Curse PremiumI like the general idea of the mockup. Unfortunately though you can't make the bars active (click to target) with secure templates so it'd be an informational display only (It's only doable if Blizzard adds a way to target by GUID although targeting by name might have value - especially on fights like Moroes where you have 5 set mobs). I believe you can make a button with a macro that does /targetexact Mob Name although I haven't tested it.
As a note the benefit you'd get from the MagicMarker synergy would for example be:
- Mobs ordered in a logical fashion.
- Desired CC method can be listed on the bar (i.e the CC method assigned by MagicMarker)
- List of targets built as mobs are marked and they don't actually have to be targeted by the raid to show up.
Of course without it you'd still be able to get things like:
- List of mobs and current activity (tanked, CC'd or running wild)
- All mobs engaged by the raid (rather, targeted by the raid)
- "Target focused" indicator (mouse-over to see who's focusing it perhaps)
Proximo (Arena unit frames) can do this. However, I'm not certain if the frames have to populate prior to entering combat (just started using it).
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Curse PremiumA PvE version can also do "/target unit name" but since names aren't unique, it won't always work. It WILL work in fights like Moroes where the names are unique however.
Also, wouldn't it be possible to generate a "Target list" (a list of all mobs with a raidicon) as the mobs get marked by the raidleader/assister?
Imho, such an addon would have a great potential, especially for large trash-groups as we find them in the new Sunwell25.
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Curse PremiumYes, but as has been frequently mentioned in this thread so far, targeting features are not required for the concept to be useful.
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Curse PremiumIn SVN as MagicTargets - note however that it doesn't have valid embeds and that it needs LibBars-1.0 which isn't on the trunk yet.
Guessing that means it can't run as disembeded?