Both sides have valid points, both sides seem to simply not understand the opposite properly.
Yes, we do want "new" developers and "new" users. Everyone has to start somewhere, right? But there is a limit to that. There is that kind of user that no one ever wants. Kaelten mentions those users too, and those users are the group Arrow and tek target in their comments.
If you truly believe that we should accept those users too, i'm sorry, but even quoting Kaeltens comments won't make it so, at least not in our minds.
WoWAce was started as a small and quite place for developers to discuss and plan their new addons, and not as a distribution platform. That is indeed a fact.
It matured to one of the biggest WoW Addon Communitys on the net, and you know Software Devs, we're all lazy. So we wrote us an Updater. That Updater, how sad it sounds, "destroyed" the small community we build for us devs, and lured alot of users, just because it was so simple and easy to use (and even worse, it lured some devs that just joined our WoWAce Boat to get on the updater, not for the community)
You cannot blame the devs that miss these days, and would rather go back.
We've always been thinking how we can improve the community, seperate the users and the devs a bit again, not completly of course, we still need the feedback and all, but just offer better tools to interface the users with the devs, afterall the people running this place are devs, too.
What came of that, is what we have today. We still have our forums for all the discussions, but additionally we have an awesome page where we can really "Release" addons with just 2 Clicks, where we can provide proper descriptions, FAQs, Guides and whatnot, and where users can submit Bugreports in Tickets to help improve the addons.
Please, both the users and devs, try to accept the other side.
I'm a dev by heart myself, and i understand you all. You want your quite place back, where you only got quality feedback because the other people there were devs too, you don't want to spend time filtering feedback.
Yet i do understand the users, you want to help with the addons, give feedback and help to squish bugs that annoy you, too.
Devs could work without the users, but the addons probably wouldn't be what they are today, so continue to provide the valuable feedback that you've always given.
But please, also keep a certain level of respect for the Devs. Some may just choose to ignore your feedback, or give you a hard time if your feedback is not helpful or inaccurate. We do spend a lot of time on our addons, and i doubt any author would disregard any feedback thats really thought through.
For example, while I'm totally rewriting my addon, i probably don't want feedback (yet), or hear how its broken every 5 minutes, and after some time, responses do get harsh (I remember that TinyTip thread), especially if that certain kind of users appear again, but once i'm done, its all on the table again, and i'm open for suggestions and improvements.
No-one ever intended to generalize the "bad" users onto all users/testers that visit this forums. If it happend, it probably came out totally wrong, or you understood wrong, both happen all the time, don't take it too personally.
Please, keep this Forums clean from the flame, or i'll have to lock some stuff before it gets out of hand, and i really don't want to do that, because a lot of constructive ideas are in here too.
May I be the first in this thread to say OMFG! Especially on the bandwidth part, I knew it was huge... but that?
I gasped when Kaelten told me some time ago. Slow month without any patch putting out 60TB of traffic, don't even want to think about times like 2.4 or come 3.0 ...
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Forum ModeratorBoth sides have valid points, both sides seem to simply not understand the opposite properly.
Yes, we do want "new" developers and "new" users. Everyone has to start somewhere, right? But there is a limit to that. There is that kind of user that no one ever wants. Kaelten mentions those users too, and those users are the group Arrow and tek target in their comments.
If you truly believe that we should accept those users too, i'm sorry, but even quoting Kaeltens comments won't make it so, at least not in our minds.
WoWAce was started as a small and quite place for developers to discuss and plan their new addons, and not as a distribution platform. That is indeed a fact.
It matured to one of the biggest WoW Addon Communitys on the net, and you know Software Devs, we're all lazy. So we wrote us an Updater. That Updater, how sad it sounds, "destroyed" the small community we build for us devs, and lured alot of users, just because it was so simple and easy to use (and even worse, it lured some devs that just joined our WoWAce Boat to get on the updater, not for the community)
You cannot blame the devs that miss these days, and would rather go back.
We've always been thinking how we can improve the community, seperate the users and the devs a bit again, not completly of course, we still need the feedback and all, but just offer better tools to interface the users with the devs, afterall the people running this place are devs, too.
What came of that, is what we have today. We still have our forums for all the discussions, but additionally we have an awesome page where we can really "Release" addons with just 2 Clicks, where we can provide proper descriptions, FAQs, Guides and whatnot, and where users can submit Bugreports in Tickets to help improve the addons.
Please, both the users and devs, try to accept the other side.
I'm a dev by heart myself, and i understand you all. You want your quite place back, where you only got quality feedback because the other people there were devs too, you don't want to spend time filtering feedback.
Yet i do understand the users, you want to help with the addons, give feedback and help to squish bugs that annoy you, too.
Devs could work without the users, but the addons probably wouldn't be what they are today, so continue to provide the valuable feedback that you've always given.
But please, also keep a certain level of respect for the Devs. Some may just choose to ignore your feedback, or give you a hard time if your feedback is not helpful or inaccurate. We do spend a lot of time on our addons, and i doubt any author would disregard any feedback thats really thought through.
For example, while I'm totally rewriting my addon, i probably don't want feedback (yet), or hear how its broken every 5 minutes, and after some time, responses do get harsh (I remember that TinyTip thread), especially if that certain kind of users appear again, but once i'm done, its all on the table again, and i'm open for suggestions and improvements.
No-one ever intended to generalize the "bad" users onto all users/testers that visit this forums. If it happend, it probably came out totally wrong, or you understood wrong, both happen all the time, don't take it too personally.
Please, keep this Forums clean from the flame, or i'll have to lock some stuff before it gets out of hand, and i really don't want to do that, because a lot of constructive ideas are in here too.
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