I think the truth is somewhat in the middle. We have and always will welcome anyone who is willing to come here and learn. I'll even welcome people who for whatever reason are not able to grow, as long as they don't go out of their way to be a counter productive community member.
There however is a class of users that feel entitled, don't care for, nor respect the people who put so much into this site, these addons, and the UI Community overall.
An example of that user would be the type that uses WowMatrix. Some of those people do it because they don't know better and think it does no harm. However, after people go out of their way to educate people why WowMatrix is evil and hurtful to the community and the various sites and then those now educated people still willfully hurt the entire UI community and the sites that act as its pillars they become a class apart.
It is that final class of users that I would be just as happy if they never graced us with their presence. (No I'm not talking about just wowmatrix users but that type of user.)
So are users welcomed here? Absolutely.
Are ALL users welcomed here. Absolutely not.
Who decided who's welcomed here and who is not? Me, ultimately.
For me there really is only one issue I feel strongly about in this discussion: Getting hostile on anybody isn't OK.
When the whole getting rid of "normal" users, they don't belong (seerah) mean dwagons eat "normal" users (tek) and flame certain types of users (arrow) came up, that's when I spoke. Also because in my view in the past people who simply didn't deserve harsh treatments did get some. Even devs! (folks getting hackled for not liking to be on IRC or for not providing valid emails in their TOCs, or for having a different opinion what warrants a library, just to name a few)
That - is my only gripe with the wowace community and I've been speaking up about it whenever I felt things were going wrong, or trying other paths to point out what I observed as happening.
If I read Nev and Kaelten correctly then the policy is clear: hostility such as flaming is not OK.
Great. That's all I was hoping to get out of the discussion. I couldn't be happier if I never had to verbalize my discontent about this again.
In my mind everybody is entitled to their opinion, but noone is entitled to be nasty or controlling about it.
If a user is entitlement-crazed I have all sympathy that there is an issue, same for a dev who feels that her particular views on <blank> must be accepted as truism by everybody and dissent is subject to flames or ridicule, then that's also an issue.
If something goes pear shaped there are good and productive ways to handle them. Ignoring, reporting, or just being able to agree to disagree are among those that work.
I do agree.
I've been known to rip into people from time to time. But generally its because I'm talking decisively and hope to shed any issues of ambiguity.
well my big post of elloquence was lost due to a white page....
I've since dug into the plugin and rewrote the login logic. It better damn'd be fixed this time.
I understand everyones emotions on the subject. Both the sides have valid points. I'll reiterate my statement though. Its the users who don't care and don't want to improve their knowledge understanding that bug me personally.
I know not everyone is able to figure things out. But I think that for the overall community we should all try to help each other. I know I'd not be half the developer I am today (if thats a good thing to be proud of?) if it wasn't for the help ideas and criticisms given to me by all of you.
So please guys, lets all let the fires drop some. We need to grow as a group and a community, and part of that is new blood and new ideas.
Hey Seerah, Nice post, although I got a few amendments and corrections :)
Wowace started with just a forum and a few static pages. No one remembers those days though ;)
The repo had a little less than 1750 projects on it.
And there where more than 30k user acounts on it.
During 2.4 we broke 880 mbits/second for extend periods of time. Thats about 110MB/s or 386.7GB an hour.
I just want to stress to everyone that this isn't a death by any means, this is a stage of growth, and sometimes when you grow you shed some of what you where. And like all stages of growth, its not without a dose of pain.